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>Sure but this really has nothing to do with the parent's post. The parent said they have references and the experience and code in production. All of this is v

>Sure but this really has nothing to do with the parent's post. The parent said they have references and the experience and code in production. All of this is verifiable short of, say, DoD contract work. It has everything to do with it. References are completely useless unless you happen to be lucky enough to know one of their references well. A random stranger saying "Bob knows X" is just as useless as Bob telling me he knows X. The references opinion is likely worthless, I can't bet my business on it. And how are we supposed to verify the quality of this in production code, much less its existence? >I doubt you have worked with folks with 10+ years of experience who wouldn't pass as junior developers who also had references and verifiable code running in a production environment (and if you did I would imagine that's a fluke negative hire). That's easily 95%+ people with 10 years experience. Everyone has references, that is not something that is hard to acquire or meaningful in any way. Wordpress is running in production all over, I sure as hell wouldn't want to hire any of the people involved in it.

BinaryIdiot 10y ago
References are all about verifiability otherwise it's just a random person saying something about another person; without context a reference is useless. You need to find a way to verify them which I'll admit is hard but without that they're completely useless. Open source is usually the best indicator here as they can literally point you to code they worked on. > Everyone has references, that is not something that is hard to acquire or meaningful in any way. A literal reference without context isn't useful. That's why, in my original text I caveated it with verifiable code running in a production environment. > Wordpress is running in production all over, I sure as hell wouldn't want to hire any of the people involved in it. Ouch. It's not the greatest code but they made something, it worked and it's been scaled all over the place. Seems like they could have some solid people involved in it in my opinion.
- MustardTiger 10y ago
  >You need to find a way to verify them Such as? >That's why, in my original text I caveated it with verifiable code running in a production environment. Again, how do you verify that? Much less the quality of that code? >It's not the greatest code but they made something, it worked and it's been scaled all over the place The bar for hiring here is not that low. "I wrote some horrible buggy crap that is full of security holes and has cost millions of dollars" isn't a good sales pitch. >Seems like they could have some solid people involved in it in my opinion. The code says otherwise.

BinaryIdiot 10y ago

References are all about verifiability otherwise it's just a random person saying something about another person; without context a reference is useless. You need to find a way to verify them which I'll admit is hard but without that they're completely useless. Open source is usually the best indicator here as they can literally point you to code they worked on. > Everyone has references, that is not something that is hard to acquire or meaningful in any way. A literal reference without context isn't useful. That's why, in my original text I caveated it with verifiable code running in a production environment. > Wordpress is running in production all over, I sure as hell wouldn't want to hire any of the people involved in it. Ouch. It's not the greatest code but they made something, it worked and it's been scaled all over the place. Seems like they could have some solid people involved in it in my opinion.

MustardTiger 10y ago
>You need to find a way to verify them Such as? >That's why, in my original text I caveated it with verifiable code running in a production environment. Again, how do you verify that? Much less the quality of that code? >It's not the greatest code but they made something, it worked and it's been scaled all over the place The bar for hiring here is not that low. "I wrote some horrible buggy crap that is full of security holes and has cost millions of dollars" isn't a good sales pitch. >Seems like they could have some solid people involved in it in my opinion. The code says otherwise.