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One year isn't enough time to reach a professional level. I wouldn't even talk to anyone in your position who didn't have significant experience (years) working

One year isn't enough time to reach a professional level. I wouldn't even talk to anyone in your position who didn't have significant experience (years) working on real world projects with others and delivering results; and I was in your position at one point, so I'm probably about as biased as you might encounter in your favor. If you really want to code, you need to figure out what libraries/frameworks/tooling/etc are popular in your area, and spend at least a year or two working on open projects which use them; learning them inside out. The good news is that it's possible. I, and others, have gotten jobs without a degree. The bad news is you need to be damned good to do it. It's a marathon. Not a sprint. You're looking at 2 to 5 years spending 20 hours a week on this. It will most likely not make you money during this time; so you need to love doing it.

anysz 10y ago
Yeah. I spent in that year on average 10 hours a day coding. And some days I would just blast way past that. So if you consider that (1yr)x(70hrs/week)=3640hrs falls right into the (2-5yrs)x(20hrs/week)=2080-5200hrs bracket, then in theory I have 'paid' my dues. Otherwise if you're the kind to factor in the notion that "it takes time for the concepts to sink in", that's another story.
- caseymarquis 10y ago
  Yep, been there and done that. You're looking at investing that much time again. On top of what you've done already. But do it! It sounds like you really care about programming. Specifically focus on working with others. Find an OSS project you like and contribute to it significantly. Or, better yet, find an OSS project that companies in your area want experience with and start contributing to that. If I saw "Active contributor to Angular/D3/Entity Framework/SignalR/Mono/Whatever" on a resume, I'd definitely be interested in talking to that person.
  - anysz 10y ago
    I really don't have the time to contribute to OSS, and I have no shame in saying I don't have any interest either. I don't know how people find the time to. I really think you either have to be <20 years old living at your parent's house, or lacking your own ideas, or have enough disposable income to have time on your hands to do it (which is probably the majority). And then you need to really be interested in doing it. It's for a very, very small subset of coders. I went totally broke learning to code. Now I have to donate my time to OSS? Something is backwards If I had the time to be writing code, I would be building out a backlist of ideas I personally have. Thanks for the input though
    - caseymarquis 10y ago
      It's not about OSS,it's about maintaining and understanding other people's code and revision control. If you don't have kids at this point, then I'd go with the Pat Rothfuss method: http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2010/02/fanmail-q-advice-for-new-writers/ http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2010/02/fanmail-q-advice-for... If you do have kids at this point, your situation is significantly harder. That said, if you don't have kids, are you really working/commuting 90 hours a week and don't have 20 to spare?
      - anysz 10y ago
        Sorry but your advice (that link) is good for an absolute antisocial geek who strives to live on the cheap in order to fulfill the ultimate goal of contributing to OSS. This is not advice for someone who wants to find a job fast. You're essentially suggesting that I recluse myself even more than I did in the past year, in a low rent city (which in Canada will definitely have 0 tech scene) or far away in the burbs where the commute is long enough that I could code on it. Essentially, to become a full fledged renegade of society. I prefer the more rational approach that involves being a city, and going to meetups, conferences and hackathons to meet other engineers that are actually working in tech.

anysz 10y ago

Yeah. I spent in that year on average 10 hours a day coding. And some days I would just blast way past that. So if you consider that (1yr)x(70hrs/week)=3640hrs falls right into the (2-5yrs)x(20hrs/week)=2080-5200hrs bracket, then in theory I have 'paid' my dues. Otherwise if you're the kind to factor in the notion that "it takes time for the concepts to sink in", that's another story.

caseymarquis 10y ago
Yep, been there and done that. You're looking at investing that much time again. On top of what you've done already. But do it! It sounds like you really care about programming. Specifically focus on working with others. Find an OSS project you like and contribute to it significantly. Or, better yet, find an OSS project that companies in your area want experience with and start contributing to that. If I saw "Active contributor to Angular/D3/Entity Framework/SignalR/Mono/Whatever" on a resume, I'd definitely be interested in talking to that person.
- anysz 10y ago
  I really don't have the time to contribute to OSS, and I have no shame in saying I don't have any interest either. I don't know how people find the time to. I really think you either have to be <20 years old living at your parent's house, or lacking your own ideas, or have enough disposable income to have time on your hands to do it (which is probably the majority). And then you need to really be interested in doing it. It's for a very, very small subset of coders. I went totally broke learning to code. Now I have to donate my time to OSS? Something is backwards If I had the time to be writing code, I would be building out a backlist of ideas I personally have. Thanks for the input though
  - caseymarquis 10y ago
    It's not about OSS,it's about maintaining and understanding other people's code and revision control. If you don't have kids at this point, then I'd go with the Pat Rothfuss method: http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2010/02/fanmail-q-advice-for-new-writers/ http://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2010/02/fanmail-q-advice-for... If you do have kids at this point, your situation is significantly harder. That said, if you don't have kids, are you really working/commuting 90 hours a week and don't have 20 to spare?
    - anysz 10y ago
      Sorry but your advice (that link) is good for an absolute antisocial geek who strives to live on the cheap in order to fulfill the ultimate goal of contributing to OSS. This is not advice for someone who wants to find a job fast. You're essentially suggesting that I recluse myself even more than I did in the past year, in a low rent city (which in Canada will definitely have 0 tech scene) or far away in the burbs where the commute is long enough that I could code on it. Essentially, to become a full fledged renegade of society. I prefer the more rational approach that involves being a city, and going to meetups, conferences and hackathons to meet other engineers that are actually working in tech.