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I don't know if this makes me sounds like a hard line right winger (I don't consider myself as such) but doesn't it make way more sense to provide free* program

by hasenj 10y ago

I don't know if this makes me sounds like a hard line right winger (I don't consider myself as such) but doesn't it make way more sense to provide free* programs to train people in skills that are actually needed by the market? * It doesn't have to be free per se. Low interest student loan could do just fine. My point is that the solution to poverty is skill acquisition, not charity money. Like that saying, give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish.

fucking_tragedy 10y ago
You can hand out a quality job skill education to every citizen but that doesn't do much to solve the problem if there aren't enough jobs paying a living wage that need to be filled.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  I couldn't help but notice how apropos your comment was juxtaposed against your username.
- mixedCase 10y ago
  To be fair, he did explicitly say "train people in skills that are actually needed by the market".
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  "You can hand out a quality job skill education to every citizen but that doesn't do much to solve the problem if there aren't enough jobs paying a living wage that need to be filled." You are both missing the point. Most people in the doldrums are 'socially broken'. They have extremely poor attitudes, anti-social behaviour, addictions, anger etc. etc.. Many of them are untrainable. There are a ton of crappy, service sector jobs available. Yes - they are crap - and maybe they should pay more - but they provide easily enough to live on. You can get a reasonable, safe, clean and small place in Montreal for $450 a month. $12/hour is ballpark $24K a year, so $2K a month before taxes, say $1600 after taxes. It's possible to live a 'basic life' on near minimum wage. There is absolutely no reason why a sane person of sound mind can't simply do this. Again - people at the bottom are 'low grade material' usually. You know when you interview people and some are just 'much better than others' - well - some people are way down the Darwin chain. Obviously - hopelessness, lack of opportunity etc compounds and puts people into the identity of failure. 'Jobs' isn't quite the problem, and neither is 'lack of money'. It's 'broken spirits' and dysfunctional people. I would like to see minimum wage raised, however.
- hasenj 10y ago
  That's why I specifically said skills that are needed by the market. There's no point in training everyone in say "acupuncture therapy" when there's no demand for it.

by hasenj 10y ago

fucking_tragedy 10y ago

You can hand out a quality job skill education to every citizen but that doesn't do much to solve the problem if there aren't enough jobs paying a living wage that need to be filled.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
I couldn't help but notice how apropos your comment was juxtaposed against your username.
mixedCase 10y ago
To be fair, he did explicitly say "train people in skills that are actually needed by the market".
jomamaxx 10y ago
"You can hand out a quality job skill education to every citizen but that doesn't do much to solve the problem if there aren't enough jobs paying a living wage that need to be filled." You are both missing the point. Most people in the doldrums are 'socially broken'. They have extremely poor attitudes, anti-social behaviour, addictions, anger etc. etc.. Many of them are untrainable. There are a ton of crappy, service sector jobs available. Yes - they are crap - and maybe they should pay more - but they provide easily enough to live on. You can get a reasonable, safe, clean and small place in Montreal for $450 a month. $12/hour is ballpark $24K a year, so $2K a month before taxes, say $1600 after taxes. It's possible to live a 'basic life' on near minimum wage. There is absolutely no reason why a sane person of sound mind can't simply do this. Again - people at the bottom are 'low grade material' usually. You know when you interview people and some are just 'much better than others' - well - some people are way down the Darwin chain. Obviously - hopelessness, lack of opportunity etc compounds and puts people into the identity of failure. 'Jobs' isn't quite the problem, and neither is 'lack of money'. It's 'broken spirits' and dysfunctional people. I would like to see minimum wage raised, however.
hasenj 10y ago
That's why I specifically said skills that are needed by the market. There's no point in training everyone in say "acupuncture therapy" when there's no demand for it.