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I was under the impression that Powell was a man of integrity and really resented being used by the Bush administration to provide justification for the war. I

I was under the impression that Powell was a man of integrity and really resented being used by the Bush administration to provide justification for the war. I thought he was just regurgitating the lies told to him. Edit: Am I being downvoted for expressing my knowledge of the situation? If you think I am wrong, say so. Try to educate me. Downvoting for disagreeing does nothing. When he testified about yellowcake uranium, I thought he believed the reports to be true.

tosseraccount 10y ago
Leading poltical figures in the other party reported that Iraq had WMDs and used such arguments to wage war on Iraq before Bush. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29
- asveikau 10y ago
  I don't understand what this contributes to the discussion. The other side did something like it too, therefore it was completely justified?
frandroid 10y ago
That's still lying under oath.
- hutzlibu 10y ago
  If he didn't know, it was a lie, it is not lying. But I don't know what he knew.
qrendel 10y ago
It's extremely unlikely most of the top people involved didn't know. See: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied-a-little-known-part-of-the-bogus-case-for-war/ https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied... There's also a link in there to a section of Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack claiming Powell knowingly altered evidence for his UN presentation.
- anonbanker 10y ago
  is it just me, or is Trump way more libertarian than anyone is giving him credit for? (disclaimer: anarcho-capitalist living in Canada. I have no stake in the game.)
  - someguydave 10y ago
    I wouldn't call him libertarian. However he does seek to replace many Washington elites with his own friends - that fact makes him many enemies.
  - yompers888 10y ago
    Trump doesn't make clear his policy leanings in his campaigning, and I hope that you will believe me based on his pivoting thus far, if for no other reason. However, I'd argue that his greatest deviation from the standard American politicians (and their tendency to be hawkish and aligned closely with banks) is populism, which I consider to typically run counter to libertarianism. Populism favors large, visible government actions that appeal to a large percentage of voters, whereas libertarians, at least in modern governments, must be concerned with how they will carefully stage a retreat of government action. Populists and libertarians do both appear very anti-status quo at the moment, but they're moving in opposite directions.
vacri 10y ago
A man who knows what war actually means - human suffering and misery rather than a video game - shouldn't allow himself to be used to promote a war he things is unnecessary. Otherwise he is not 'a man of integrity', but 'a man keeping his prestige position by letting other people suffer greatly for it'. This isn't indirect suffering like 'your laptop was probably built by crying workers', but a clear, direct chain of events.

tosseraccount 10y ago

Leading poltical figures in the other party reported that Iraq had WMDs and used such arguments to wage war on Iraq before Bush. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29

asveikau 10y ago
I don't understand what this contributes to the discussion. The other side did something like it too, therefore it was completely justified?

frandroid 10y ago

That's still lying under oath.

hutzlibu 10y ago
If he didn't know, it was a lie, it is not lying. But I don't know what he knew.

qrendel 10y ago

It's extremely unlikely most of the top people involved didn't know. See: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied-a-little-known-part-of-the-bogus-case-for-war/ https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied... There's also a link in there to a section of Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack claiming Powell knowingly altered evidence for his UN presentation.

anonbanker 10y ago
is it just me, or is Trump way more libertarian than anyone is giving him credit for? (disclaimer: anarcho-capitalist living in Canada. I have no stake in the game.)
- someguydave 10y ago
  I wouldn't call him libertarian. However he does seek to replace many Washington elites with his own friends - that fact makes him many enemies.
- yompers888 10y ago
  Trump doesn't make clear his policy leanings in his campaigning, and I hope that you will believe me based on his pivoting thus far, if for no other reason. However, I'd argue that his greatest deviation from the standard American politicians (and their tendency to be hawkish and aligned closely with banks) is populism, which I consider to typically run counter to libertarianism. Populism favors large, visible government actions that appeal to a large percentage of voters, whereas libertarians, at least in modern governments, must be concerned with how they will carefully stage a retreat of government action. Populists and libertarians do both appear very anti-status quo at the moment, but they're moving in opposite directions.

vacri 10y ago

A man who knows what war actually means - human suffering and misery rather than a video game - shouldn't allow himself to be used to promote a war he things is unnecessary. Otherwise he is not 'a man of integrity', but 'a man keeping his prestige position by letting other people suffer greatly for it'. This isn't indirect suffering like 'your laptop was probably built by crying workers', but a clear, direct chain of events.