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> Keith Alexander lied to the congress on record You forgot the war liars/criminals Bush, Rice and Powell.
by tdkl 10y ago
> Keith Alexander lied to the congress on record
You forgot the war liars/criminals Bush, Rice and Powell.
- blackguardx 10y agoI was under the impression that Powell was a man of integrity and really resented being used by the Bush administration to provide justification for the war. I thought he was just regurgitating the lies told to him. Edit: Am I being downvoted for expressing my knowledge of the situation? If you think I am wrong, say so. Try to educate me. Downvoting for disagreeing does nothing. When he testified about yellowcake uranium, I thought he believed the reports to be true.
- tosseraccount 10y agoLeading poltical figures in the other party reported that Iraq had WMDs and used such arguments to wage war on Iraq before Bush. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%281998%29
- asveikau 10y agoI don't understand what this contributes to the discussion. The other side did something like it too, therefore it was completely justified?
- frandroid 10y agoThat's still lying under oath.
- hutzlibu 10y agoIf he didn't know, it was a lie, it is not lying. But I don't know what he knew.
- qrendel 10y agoIt's extremely unlikely most of the top people involved didn't know. See: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied-a-little-known-part-of-the-bogus-case-for-war/ https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/trump-is-right-bush-lied... There's also a link in there to a section of Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack claiming Powell knowingly altered evidence for his UN presentation.
- anonbanker 10y agois it just me, or is Trump way more libertarian than anyone is giving him credit for? (disclaimer: anarcho-capitalist living in Canada. I have no stake in the game.)
- someguydave 10y agoI wouldn't call him libertarian. However he does seek to replace many Washington elites with his own friends - that fact makes him many enemies.
- yompers888 10y agoTrump doesn't make clear his policy leanings in his campaigning, and I hope that you will believe me based on his pivoting thus far, if for no other reason. However, I'd argue that his greatest deviation from the standard American politicians (and their tendency to be hawkish and aligned closely with banks) is populism, which I consider to typically run counter to libertarianism. Populism favors large, visible government actions that appeal to a large percentage of voters, whereas libertarians, at least in modern governments, must be concerned with how they will carefully stage a retreat of government action. Populists and libertarians do both appear very anti-status quo at the moment, but they're moving in opposite directions.
- vacri 10y agoA man who knows what war actually means - human suffering and misery rather than a video game - shouldn't allow himself to be used to promote a war he things is unnecessary. Otherwise he is not 'a man of integrity', but 'a man keeping his prestige position by letting other people suffer greatly for it'. This isn't indirect suffering like 'your laptop was probably built by crying workers', but a clear, direct chain of events.
- walrus01 10y agoKissinger.
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- nickpsecurity 10y agoBush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld are still on top of my shitlist as far as people that need to be brought to justice for betraying America. Unlike the "harms" Snowden did, their disinformation campaign on Iraq murdered over 6,000 Americans, maimed many more, killed several hundred thousand in Iraq, cost a few hundred billion, and have trillions in long-term liabilities. I consider Snowden's case a mixed bag depending on which leaks we're talking about. Yet, locking him away for damage to national security without giving the rest life imprisonment doesn't begin to be justice.
- dTal 10y agoCheney and Rumsfeld had power since they seized it in 1975 (google "Halloween massacre"). They're responsible for far more than just the Iraq war.
- nickpsecurity 10y agoHoly crap, I didn't even know all that happened! Combined with military efforts and Bush-Cheney Administration, it shows quite a strong cabal that has lasted for a long time with that close-knit group. "Democracy" in action. ;)
- anonbanker 10y agothey have all the trimmings of fascism, a trail of dead bodies in their wake, countless administrations that they've popped up in, and actual ties to the Nazis (not just Prescott Bush, either). But you'll be godwin'd if you compare them out loud.