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GTX 1070 beats the 980ti and Titanx in every game we tested

42 points by RadicalRaid 10y ago

RadicalRaid 10y ago
I'm thinking about upgrading, but it seems the performance gained to money spend ratio might not be worth shelling out for a 1080. I am contemplating getting an HTC Vive, too bad they didn't really test VR devices with the card. But I believe NVIDIA mentioned that the 10xx cards are all highly optimised for VR, so that might pull me over the edge and get a 1080.
- Mizza 10y ago
  I think a lot of people are in this camp right now. I think when they release of Vive-optimized drivers and related tests, then we'll see the real results.
grenoire 10y ago
Unsurprisingly so, yet the price point is way too high to go for an upgrade. I feel like upgrading when the 11XX (they are coming, right?) series come in is a much better idea.
- bryanlarsen 10y ago
  AMD Polaris comes out tomorrow, which should meet VR minimum specs and will be a lot cheaper. If it doesn't meet VR minimum specs then AMD has really missed a golden opportunity that nVidia handed them. The prestige is in the high end cards, the money is in the mainstream & mobile ones. VR's steep requirements plus the really nice performance bump we're getting from finally getting off of 28nm means that this is probably going to be one of the most vigorous upgrade cycles for GPUs that we've seen in a while.
  - grenoire 10y ago
    I'm not going to be able to warm up to AMD until they get their OpenGL drivers' performance up to par with NVIDIA. It's such a big deal breaker for me, as someone who actively uses OpenGL for both applications and development.
    - BuckRogers 10y ago
      AMD is never going to get their OGL driver up to par with Nvidia's. That's why they created Mantle and are enthusiastic about Vulkan/DX12. It gets them off the hook to make and maintain those drivers. Whoever decided to save a buck back at ATI and not hire a massive driver development team a couple decades ago did irreparable harm.
  - lewisl9029 10y ago
    Interesting that they're starting with a mainstream part. I hope this becomes a trend since the mainstream part is the only one I'm ever really interested in every generation (as my gaming needs are rather modest, and currently served adequately by a GTX 750 TI). I was planning on waiting for a mainstream version of the 1070/1080 from NVIDIA to use in a Thunderbolt graphics dock with a Thunderbolt 3 compatible ultrabook, which is a setup that, I assume, will be far more limited by the ultra low voltage CPU in the ultrabook than any mainstream graphics card from this next generation anyways. But it looks like Polaris might fit the bill and release sooner.
    - jon-wood 10y ago
      Have you had any experience using a graphics dock? I was talking about it the other day and while it seems like a nice idea I've yet to encounter anyone who's actually used one and can speak to how good compatibility is.
      - lmm 10y ago
        My Surface Book is effectively that (the better GPU is in the detachable half) and compatibility is perfect (once had an issue where a game used the wrong card, detached and reattached and it was all fine, drivers have updated since then) - admittedly that's a system where everything is first-party and designed to work that way.
      - jsheard 10y ago
        Up to this point graphics docks have either been hacked together or proprietary one-offs, so they're not widely used. Standardized TB3 graphics docks are coming very soon though. https://youtu.be/vGFRoWj0YOw?t=181 https://youtu.be/vGFRoWj0YOw?t=181 Compatibility wise they're supposed to work with any laptop that has Thunderbolt 3, supports the Intel eGPU UEFI extension, and is running Windows 10.
- EugeneOZ 10y ago
  $500 is too big price for "high-end" class video card? We are living in different worlds.
cloudjacker 10y ago
Midrange card barely beats out enthusiast range card from last cycle. Congratulations?
- johansch 10y ago
  Nvidia has done a bunch of product release cycles where this was not the case lately. Kinda like Intel's depressingly bad "4-7%" single core performance increases, maybe a little bit better. This is one I might finally want to consider upgrading to, from my GTX 670...
  - lelandbatey 10y ago
    Same, this sounds the first upgrade that's worth the money since I bought a GTX 670 slightly used for ~$250 a couple years.
ronnier 10y ago
A nice comparison chart for hundreds of cards, with the 1080 being on top (this is updated daily) http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
- jsheard 10y ago
  I wouldn't take PassMark too seriously. It's a dated synthetic benchmark that isn't controlled for other system components or driver versions, since the results are coming from many different users at different times. Here's an aggregate of 15 real world benchmarks on a consistent test rig: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/2...
  - _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
    I've got out of the game of upgrading PCs years ago, so have no clue. To me I'd think the average user with his drivers and different components might get a better impression what to expect if he buys the card from the first link, than your link? (which would more express what to could be expected at maximum?)
    - onli 10y ago
      Not really. The Passmark is useful to get a broad comparison, but real benchmarks will be closer to what users see in practice. Some results show that clearly. E.g. the 780 Ti is in the passmark before the GTX 970, but in games with modern drivers the GTX 970 is better. But well, they are close in both. More severe is the GTX 960 – the passmark sees that card above a R9 380X. That's completely unrealistic, the GTX 960 is slower than a R9 380, without the X. Most user run games and not artificial benchmarks, thus the performance measured in games is closer to what they will get in practice.
philipov 10y ago
I would love to buy a couple 1080s for my new rig. Too bad it seems impossible to get any. The only ones for sale are from scalpers. Any tips on how to actually acquire them?
- Retr0spectrum 10y ago
  I think the only way is to wait a few weeks until things calm down.
  - kitsunesoba 10y ago
    Isn't it a good idea to wait for models with non-reference coolers anyway?
    - semi-extrinsic 10y ago
      The reference cooler is actually quite good, especially if you are putting several GPUs in one box, since it blows the hot air out of the case.
      - onli 10y ago
        Still, the reference version is more expensive and clocked lower than the vendor versions will be. Also, at least the GTX 1080 is limited by the temperature it reaches with the reference cooler. SLI is really the one usage where the reference version is well suited, but otherwise it is good to wait.
        philipov 10y ago
        I was going to go with 2 EVGA GTX 1080s [0] in SLI with 4 4k monitors [1]. I currently have no video cards at all, and will be installing using on-board video. The computer will be used for both development (therefore 4 monitors) and gaming (powerful video cards), and without any video cards, I can't really use it for either. I want to get pascal chips with GDDR5X, but can't wait months for the next wave of cards to be released. What would you recommend? [0] http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR [1] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC9HFO8/?tag=pcpapi-20 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC9HFO8/?tag=pcpapi-20
shmerl 10y ago
I'm waiting for Polaris 10 benchmarks.
BuckRogers 10y ago
This is impressive for the money. AMD is in a real fix, the 1070 is the new 970 and the 1080 is the 980Ti all over again. These 1070s are going to fly off shelves. I just don't see people getting excited over the Polaris chips as no one cares about performance they already had. People really want the 1080 but 1070 offers the bang for buck yet still top-tier performance. That said, being as I work all day at a computer and spend my freetime at one, I'm looking to change up my lifestyle. I probably won't be building more desktop gaming machines at this point. I'm looking at Intel NUCs for desktop machines or a gaming laptop. I'm interested in VR gaming using a laptop to go tether-free with a backpack harness. I'm looking forward to seeing the 1080M. A laptop with that would be a great match for cord free SteamVR.

42 points by RadicalRaid 10y ago

I'm thinking about upgrading, but it seems the performance gained to money spend ratio might not be worth shelling out for a 1080. I am contemplating getting an HTC Vive, too bad they didn't really test VR devices with the card. But I believe NVIDIA mentioned that the 10xx cards are all highly optimised for VR, so that might pull me over the edge and get a 1080.

Mizza 10y ago
I think a lot of people are in this camp right now. I think when they release of Vive-optimized drivers and related tests, then we'll see the real results.

grenoire 10y ago

Unsurprisingly so, yet the price point is way too high to go for an upgrade. I feel like upgrading when the 11XX (they are coming, right?) series come in is a much better idea.

bryanlarsen 10y ago
AMD Polaris comes out tomorrow, which should meet VR minimum specs and will be a lot cheaper. If it doesn't meet VR minimum specs then AMD has really missed a golden opportunity that nVidia handed them. The prestige is in the high end cards, the money is in the mainstream & mobile ones. VR's steep requirements plus the really nice performance bump we're getting from finally getting off of 28nm means that this is probably going to be one of the most vigorous upgrade cycles for GPUs that we've seen in a while.
- grenoire 10y ago
  I'm not going to be able to warm up to AMD until they get their OpenGL drivers' performance up to par with NVIDIA. It's such a big deal breaker for me, as someone who actively uses OpenGL for both applications and development.
  - BuckRogers 10y ago
    AMD is never going to get their OGL driver up to par with Nvidia's. That's why they created Mantle and are enthusiastic about Vulkan/DX12. It gets them off the hook to make and maintain those drivers. Whoever decided to save a buck back at ATI and not hire a massive driver development team a couple decades ago did irreparable harm.
- lewisl9029 10y ago
  Interesting that they're starting with a mainstream part. I hope this becomes a trend since the mainstream part is the only one I'm ever really interested in every generation (as my gaming needs are rather modest, and currently served adequately by a GTX 750 TI). I was planning on waiting for a mainstream version of the 1070/1080 from NVIDIA to use in a Thunderbolt graphics dock with a Thunderbolt 3 compatible ultrabook, which is a setup that, I assume, will be far more limited by the ultra low voltage CPU in the ultrabook than any mainstream graphics card from this next generation anyways. But it looks like Polaris might fit the bill and release sooner.
  - jon-wood 10y ago
    Have you had any experience using a graphics dock? I was talking about it the other day and while it seems like a nice idea I've yet to encounter anyone who's actually used one and can speak to how good compatibility is.
    - lmm 10y ago
      My Surface Book is effectively that (the better GPU is in the detachable half) and compatibility is perfect (once had an issue where a game used the wrong card, detached and reattached and it was all fine, drivers have updated since then) - admittedly that's a system where everything is first-party and designed to work that way.
    - jsheard 10y ago
      Up to this point graphics docks have either been hacked together or proprietary one-offs, so they're not widely used. Standardized TB3 graphics docks are coming very soon though. https://youtu.be/vGFRoWj0YOw?t=181 https://youtu.be/vGFRoWj0YOw?t=181 Compatibility wise they're supposed to work with any laptop that has Thunderbolt 3, supports the Intel eGPU UEFI extension, and is running Windows 10.
EugeneOZ 10y ago
$500 is too big price for "high-end" class video card? We are living in different worlds.

cloudjacker 10y ago

Midrange card barely beats out enthusiast range card from last cycle. Congratulations?

johansch 10y ago
Nvidia has done a bunch of product release cycles where this was not the case lately. Kinda like Intel's depressingly bad "4-7%" single core performance increases, maybe a little bit better. This is one I might finally want to consider upgrading to, from my GTX 670...
- lelandbatey 10y ago
  Same, this sounds the first upgrade that's worth the money since I bought a GTX 670 slightly used for ~$250 a couple years.

ronnier 10y ago

A nice comparison chart for hundreds of cards, with the 1080 being on top (this is updated daily) http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

jsheard 10y ago
I wouldn't take PassMark too seriously. It's a dated synthetic benchmark that isn't controlled for other system components or driver versions, since the results are coming from many different users at different times. Here's an aggregate of 15 real world benchmarks on a consistent test rig: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/2...
- _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
  I've got out of the game of upgrading PCs years ago, so have no clue. To me I'd think the average user with his drivers and different components might get a better impression what to expect if he buys the card from the first link, than your link? (which would more express what to could be expected at maximum?)
  - onli 10y ago
    Not really. The Passmark is useful to get a broad comparison, but real benchmarks will be closer to what users see in practice. Some results show that clearly. E.g. the 780 Ti is in the passmark before the GTX 970, but in games with modern drivers the GTX 970 is better. But well, they are close in both. More severe is the GTX 960 – the passmark sees that card above a R9 380X. That's completely unrealistic, the GTX 960 is slower than a R9 380, without the X. Most user run games and not artificial benchmarks, thus the performance measured in games is closer to what they will get in practice.

philipov 10y ago

I would love to buy a couple 1080s for my new rig. Too bad it seems impossible to get any. The only ones for sale are from scalpers. Any tips on how to actually acquire them?

Retr0spectrum 10y ago
I think the only way is to wait a few weeks until things calm down.
- kitsunesoba 10y ago
  Isn't it a good idea to wait for models with non-reference coolers anyway?
  - semi-extrinsic 10y ago
    The reference cooler is actually quite good, especially if you are putting several GPUs in one box, since it blows the hot air out of the case.
    - onli 10y ago
      Still, the reference version is more expensive and clocked lower than the vendor versions will be. Also, at least the GTX 1080 is limited by the temperature it reaches with the reference cooler. SLI is really the one usage where the reference version is well suited, but otherwise it is good to wait.
      - philipov 10y ago
        I was going to go with 2 EVGA GTX 1080s [0] in SLI with 4 4k monitors [1]. I currently have no video cards at all, and will be installing using on-board video. The computer will be used for both development (therefore 4 monitors) and gaming (powerful video cards), and without any video cards, I can't really use it for either. I want to get pascal chips with GDDR5X, but can't wait months for the next wave of cards to be released. What would you recommend? [0] http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6180-KR [1] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC9HFO8/?tag=pcpapi-20 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC9HFO8/?tag=pcpapi-20

shmerl 10y ago

I'm waiting for Polaris 10 benchmarks.

BuckRogers 10y ago

This is impressive for the money. AMD is in a real fix, the 1070 is the new 970 and the 1080 is the 980Ti all over again. These 1070s are going to fly off shelves. I just don't see people getting excited over the Polaris chips as no one cares about performance they already had. People really want the 1080 but 1070 offers the bang for buck yet still top-tier performance. That said, being as I work all day at a computer and spend my freetime at one, I'm looking to change up my lifestyle. I probably won't be building more desktop gaming machines at this point. I'm looking at Intel NUCs for desktop machines or a gaming laptop. I'm interested in VR gaming using a laptop to go tether-free with a backpack harness. I'm looking forward to seeing the 1080M. A laptop with that would be a great match for cord free SteamVR.