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>Am I missing something in this picture, or discussing "female privilege" is one of those topics beyond the proverbial line in the sand? Addressed that here. [

>Am I missing something in this picture, or discussing "female privilege" is one of those topics beyond the proverbial line in the sand? Addressed that here. [1] Not sure why this is even a question, honestly. White privilege is a thing. There are circumstances where women have the advantage as well, but there are others where they clearly don't. >It's a false dichotomy. It is actually both. And black men is not nearly 90% of US prison population - it's actually 37% [1] for males and 22% for females. Sorry, you're correct, I mis-remembered the numbers. Only 32% are white males compared to 77% of the US population, though. Blacks and Hispanics are totally over-represented. >Usually people called SJW and people actually suffering prejudice are very different people. Yeah, duh. We are the only ones in the position to make change happen, because we're the ones with the awesome jobs who can be sure that the culture is open enough that people who don't traditionally work in tech (or in games in particular) can feel welcome to participate. Do you think minorities standing around complaining about how hard they have it will work? Um, no, it hasn't. It takes people from the majority to speak up for the minority in order for change to happen. >They just think that because they talk about privilege that somehow allows them to take "holier than thou" pose. Projection much? [2] Striking an "attitude" or feeling better than someone is not even on the top ten of the list of motivations of anyone I know (myself included) who fights for people to be treated with respect. That is a common attitude expressed by groups throwing around "SJW" as an insult, however. I went to a public university (first a two year, then four year), but yes, I'm white and live in the US. But the motivation I have to argue with people about this is 100% due to the fact that if all white privileged people ignore the problem, then it won't go away. It's our ball game, and it's our responsibility make sure that others are invited, and that they have all the opportunities they need to compete. Otherwise we're being selfish jerks. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11798905 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11798905 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

smsm42 10y ago
> Addressed that here. Basically you said "I didn't mention female privilege because I didn't claim white privilege is the only one". No, you didn't, but you also neglected to discuss most privileged category in your own example, which makes one to question your logic in this example. You also say "women are less privileged in other domains" - true, one can find such domains. But we didn't look into other domains. We looked in specific example you provided, and you specifically discussed privilege, and yet by your own logic you failed to notice the most privileged group. Looks like you didn't really try to find one but tried to arrive at a predefined conclusion, did you? > Yeah, duh No, not duh. You can't first claim the mantle of the oppressed and when it is shown to you it is not yours say "duh". People are ridiculing SJWs in part because they use the pretense of being oppressed and sometimes case of real oppression (not done to them) to support their ridiculous and often harmful demands and actions. > Projection much? I would recommend looking up what "projection" means. There are groups on the right which do strike "holier than thou" attitude, but they usually have no idea what SJW means and are very far from the context of it. Those that you would see ridiculing the SJWs usually do not have anything like that attitude, they are more of the "leave me alone" kind. > Striking an "attitude" or feeling better than someone is not even on the top ten of the list of motivations of anyone I know (myself included) who fights for people to be treated with respect. Their behavior suggests otherwise, unfortunately. And I can't see how some things that are being done - like complete closure of campus thought to any dissent and independent thought, or hate campaigns like one happened to Tim Hunt - can be reasonably described as "fight for people to be treated with respect". If anything, the typical mode of behavior starts with refusing to even admit the possibility of respectful disagreement, and we can see example in this very topic of people being actually proud of it. That's what the W in the name goes for - W means war, and there's no place for respect in war. At least not the contemporary war, older wars were different a bit in that regard. > It's our ball game, and it's our responsibility make sure that others are invited It is. But organizing hate campaigns, and fake hate crimes, and imaginary insults, and more and more strict speech codes, and crying for authority to exclude everyone that tries to introduce at least the hint of an independent thought, and taking it all to a ridiculous levels - is not the way to do it. And there's way too much of it going on right now.

smsm42 10y ago

> Addressed that here. Basically you said "I didn't mention female privilege because I didn't claim white privilege is the only one". No, you didn't, but you also neglected to discuss most privileged category in your own example, which makes one to question your logic in this example. You also say "women are less privileged in other domains" - true, one can find such domains. But we didn't look into other domains. We looked in specific example you provided, and you specifically discussed privilege, and yet by your own logic you failed to notice the most privileged group. Looks like you didn't really try to find one but tried to arrive at a predefined conclusion, did you? > Yeah, duh No, not duh. You can't first claim the mantle of the oppressed and when it is shown to you it is not yours say "duh". People are ridiculing SJWs in part because they use the pretense of being oppressed and sometimes case of real oppression (not done to them) to support their ridiculous and often harmful demands and actions. > Projection much? I would recommend looking up what "projection" means. There are groups on the right which do strike "holier than thou" attitude, but they usually have no idea what SJW means and are very far from the context of it. Those that you would see ridiculing the SJWs usually do not have anything like that attitude, they are more of the "leave me alone" kind. > Striking an "attitude" or feeling better than someone is not even on the top ten of the list of motivations of anyone I know (myself included) who fights for people to be treated with respect. Their behavior suggests otherwise, unfortunately. And I can't see how some things that are being done - like complete closure of campus thought to any dissent and independent thought, or hate campaigns like one happened to Tim Hunt - can be reasonably described as "fight for people to be treated with respect". If anything, the typical mode of behavior starts with refusing to even admit the possibility of respectful disagreement, and we can see example in this very topic of people being actually proud of it. That's what the W in the name goes for - W means war, and there's no place for respect in war. At least not the contemporary war, older wars were different a bit in that regard. > It's our ball game, and it's our responsibility make sure that others are invited It is. But organizing hate campaigns, and fake hate crimes, and imaginary insults, and more and more strict speech codes, and crying for authority to exclude everyone that tries to introduce at least the hint of an independent thought, and taking it all to a ridiculous levels - is not the way to do it. And there's way too much of it going on right now.