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Imagine you alone can control robots and grow animals(including humans) in a lab. You could use robots for specific tasks and use humans as sexual slaves or wor

Imagine you alone can control robots and grow animals(including humans) in a lab. You could use robots for specific tasks and use humans as sexual slaves or worker slaves. This could happen if there are 'designer babies', where you could create very beautiful women and have them as your slaves. Or you could create a race of slave super-humans(merge humans with mechanoids), which would fulfill certain tasks you gave them. Do you think in that case you would need some consumers buying from your companies? Of course not. Now imagine few thousand people like you. Lets say those on Forbes list. Now, instead of one guy being in control, you have few thousand of them each specializing in certain area. One could make sexual slaves. Another one could have an army working to make video games. Third one would have slaves making clothing, houses or vehicles and so on... Those few thousand people could create a B2B economy with few thousand oligarchs trading among themselves. What about the rest? They could be eliminated very easily by certain viruses or through some other means. Humans could still exist, but they would be 'designed' or genetically modified to fit specific purposes. Just remember genocides, slavery, nukes, wars etc. Nothing is off the table. The stakes are very high. Those few oligarchs would live like trillionaires, so they would probably be ready to do anything. I mean people today kill each other for $1k, imagine what could be done when stakes are this high. Contrary to popular belief, history doesn't follow the direction of progress of any animal species. It's fun until it's not (dinosaurs and many other extinct species). This situation could trigger wars and genocides we haven't seen before. I don't think it's going to be cupcakes and rainbows. People in 19th century were very optimistic about the future, imagining all kinds of utopias, but what was 20th century? Huge wars, mass genocides, diseases etc. I am not optimistic and don't think there is some kind of an ark of human progress where people will reach utopia. It will be change, but no progress/regress.

ddorian43 10y ago
Who will create the lab? Won't he be the most powerful ? Can't these people genetically modify themself to not care about sex slaves (or even consumption, so no worker-slaves needed) ? Maybe scientists-slaves? The truth(by my simple/short unscientific observation) is that most people don't give a fuck at all about anything other than themself so why should the lab-designer care about them (and share his tech)? What happens when you build you lab/fix-diseases and don't want to share them with the masses (you don't want their $$)(you just want to share with other lab-designers/scientists/doctors etc). They WILL try kill you. How to escape this ? Kill them first? Don't share at all (you supposedly want to share with other lab-builders)? I think, the lab creator WILL have to also build crazy weapons to protect himself from "the others"? They just won't accept no for an answer. So you have to create your weapons first, then build the lab (or enslave others by using weapons to build the lab for you). Makes sense ?
- godembodied 10y ago
  Who will create the lab? Won't he be the most powerful ? Every oligarch(if there are many of them, like there were many kings in medieval Europe) would need to have a lab. It will be specialized. Just like factories today are specialized. Today, one company might use factory to make phones, another one to make clothing etc. They all use different devices for different products. Can't these people genetically modify themself to not care about sex slaves (or even consumption, so no worker-slaves needed) ? Maybe scientists-slaves? That's equivalent to suicide. You could do something similar today to eliminate sexual or other desires, but people aren't doing it. The truth(by my simple/short unscientific observation) is that most people don't give a fuck at all about anything other than themself so why should the lab-designer care about them (and share his tech)? Care about who? Other oligarchs? If there are other oligarchs(which is not necessary, since it could be one king and few thousand people below him), then he would receive benefits from them and vice versa. What happens when you build you lab/fix-diseases and don't want to share them with the masses (you don't want their $$)(you just want to share with other lab-designers/scientists/doctors etc). They WILL try kill you. How to escape this ? Kill them first? Don't share at all (you supposedly want to share with other lab-builders)? Who will try to kill them? Masses or other oligarchs? I think, the lab creator WILL have to also build crazy weapons to protect himself from "the others"? They just won't accept no for an answer. What others? Other oligarchs with different labs? So you have to create your weapons first, then build the lab (or enslave others by using weapons to build the lab for you). This is true. It could be a hierarchy where the top dog (king) shares some wealth with the lower ranked. Kinda like in medieval Europe. Most robots and lab-grown humans would be like serfs and those closest to the king would get all the benefits and practically unlimited wealth.
  - ddorian43 10y ago
    That's equivalent to suicide. You could do something similar today to eliminate sexual or other desires, but people aren't doing it. I assumed they can replicate at the lab. Care about who? Other oligarchs? If there are other oligarchs(which is not necessary, since it could be one king and few thousand people below him), then he would receive benefits from them and vice versa. Most people don't care about pushing human(ity) further, just want the current entertainment flavor of the generation. Why should the lab-creator care about them ? Just because someone pays for your job, doesn't mean it should exist, ex: gossip magazines. And when you have no work/purpose, why should you exist ? To consume finite resources? He may think the same thing for other oligarchs. Who will try to kill them? Masses or other oligarchs? If you build a life-extension (or a human backup+restore) lab you'll be at war with whoever you don't want to share. What others? Other oligarchs with different labs? 2 main ways to change the world would be: Kill those who oppose you, or build better tech and don't save them (but those will better weapons will kill you first). The more you automate and advance, the easier it would be to not need(and pursuing of not needing) other oligarch/normal sheeple.

ddorian43 10y ago

Who will create the lab? Won't he be the most powerful ? Can't these people genetically modify themself to not care about sex slaves (or even consumption, so no worker-slaves needed) ? Maybe scientists-slaves? The truth(by my simple/short unscientific observation) is that most people don't give a fuck at all about anything other than themself so why should the lab-designer care about them (and share his tech)? What happens when you build you lab/fix-diseases and don't want to share them with the masses (you don't want their $$)(you just want to share with other lab-designers/scientists/doctors etc). They WILL try kill you. How to escape this ? Kill them first? Don't share at all (you supposedly want to share with other lab-builders)? I think, the lab creator WILL have to also build crazy weapons to protect himself from "the others"? They just won't accept no for an answer. So you have to create your weapons first, then build the lab (or enslave others by using weapons to build the lab for you). Makes sense ?

godembodied 10y ago
Who will create the lab? Won't he be the most powerful ? Every oligarch(if there are many of them, like there were many kings in medieval Europe) would need to have a lab. It will be specialized. Just like factories today are specialized. Today, one company might use factory to make phones, another one to make clothing etc. They all use different devices for different products. Can't these people genetically modify themself to not care about sex slaves (or even consumption, so no worker-slaves needed) ? Maybe scientists-slaves? That's equivalent to suicide. You could do something similar today to eliminate sexual or other desires, but people aren't doing it. The truth(by my simple/short unscientific observation) is that most people don't give a fuck at all about anything other than themself so why should the lab-designer care about them (and share his tech)? Care about who? Other oligarchs? If there are other oligarchs(which is not necessary, since it could be one king and few thousand people below him), then he would receive benefits from them and vice versa. What happens when you build you lab/fix-diseases and don't want to share them with the masses (you don't want their $$)(you just want to share with other lab-designers/scientists/doctors etc). They WILL try kill you. How to escape this ? Kill them first? Don't share at all (you supposedly want to share with other lab-builders)? Who will try to kill them? Masses or other oligarchs? I think, the lab creator WILL have to also build crazy weapons to protect himself from "the others"? They just won't accept no for an answer. What others? Other oligarchs with different labs? So you have to create your weapons first, then build the lab (or enslave others by using weapons to build the lab for you). This is true. It could be a hierarchy where the top dog (king) shares some wealth with the lower ranked. Kinda like in medieval Europe. Most robots and lab-grown humans would be like serfs and those closest to the king would get all the benefits and practically unlimited wealth.
- ddorian43 10y ago
  That's equivalent to suicide. You could do something similar today to eliminate sexual or other desires, but people aren't doing it. I assumed they can replicate at the lab. Care about who? Other oligarchs? If there are other oligarchs(which is not necessary, since it could be one king and few thousand people below him), then he would receive benefits from them and vice versa. Most people don't care about pushing human(ity) further, just want the current entertainment flavor of the generation. Why should the lab-creator care about them ? Just because someone pays for your job, doesn't mean it should exist, ex: gossip magazines. And when you have no work/purpose, why should you exist ? To consume finite resources? He may think the same thing for other oligarchs. Who will try to kill them? Masses or other oligarchs? If you build a life-extension (or a human backup+restore) lab you'll be at war with whoever you don't want to share. What others? Other oligarchs with different labs? 2 main ways to change the world would be: Kill those who oppose you, or build better tech and don't save them (but those will better weapons will kill you first). The more you automate and advance, the easier it would be to not need(and pursuing of not needing) other oligarch/normal sheeple.