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How do you envision this working? Corporations, while they don't need/want employees, still want customers and people to buy their stuff. How would people get

• orionblastar 10y ago
  Yeah one of the dangers of AI and robots taking jobs is that they don't have any customers left as in B2C business model. They will have to do a B2B model but then all of the people out of work will damage the economy. What about the people who got old and or sick? With all the people going poor without jobs some might resort to crimes to make a living. The draft can only take so much of the population. But our military uses drones a lot and might use robot soldiers that share memories and kill the enemy more than humans can and don't need any training. Is it murder if a robot kills a civilian?
  • Evolved 10y ago
    What about the people who got old and or sick? With all the people going poor without jobs some might resort to crimes to make a living. You're absolutely right and things specifically like identity theft already work this way. The draft can only take so much of the population. But our military uses drones a lot and might use robot soldiers that share memories and kill the enemy more than humans can and don't need any training. Is it murder if a robot kills a civilian? Much like tragic losses of soldiers that occur during special ops missions are categorized as a soldier dying in a "training accident" one might assert that if a robot kills a civilian it would be chalked up to an "industrial accident."
    • sukilot 10y ago
      Industrial "accidents" already have a long history, especially in modern Asian manufacturing.
  • godembodied 10y ago
    Yeah one of the dangers of AI and robots taking jobs is that they don't have any customers left as in B2C business model. They will have to do a B2B model ... Great point! B2B will be few oligarchs trading among themselves. ...but then all of the people out of work will damage the economy. What economy? If you mean B2C, then yes. But, if you're talking about few oligarchs controlling everything and doing the exchange among themselves, then it will thrive. What could happen to other people is they will either become slaves or be eliminated.
• a3n 10y ago
  The political class, which will still have jobs, will not be willing to give money away to people who don't work. So they'll be drafted and paid. When we had an active draft, they were paid.
  • sukilot 10y ago
    This was the Civilian Conservation Corps, Rennesr Valley Authority, "workfare", government jobs (TSA!), etc
    • a3n 10y ago
      Yeah, "drafted" won't necessarily mean carrying a gun, and maybe or maybe not you'd have some say in what area you were drafted into.
• lsc 10y ago
  > How would people get buying power if they are "drafted"? Obviously, you get paid for your service - really, there is a long history in America of favoring 'payment for service' over social programs. Reagan gutted the civilian welfare state, while extending benefits for those who had served the military. To be clear, I'm not saying I oppose a generous pension for those who have served in the military, really, for a lot of reasons, or even that it's unfair, because most government jobs pay pretty poorly, at least the government jobs I could get pay terribly compared to the private sector jobs I could get, at least if you don't count the pensions. I'm just pointing out that the military does function an awful lot like some sort of socialist state. Yes, yes, there are still hierarchies, with privilege accorded to rank, but the difference between the top and the bottom, at least if you count in money and not power, and believe there to be a difference between the two, is nothing compared to what you see in the private sector. But, the main idea here is that in the USA, there is massive resistance to the idea of redistributing money to the "undeserving" - some people argue that it's mostly a race thing that defines 'undeserving' and I don't know if that's true or not, but I can say that I observe a lot more hatred for the "welfare queen" than of the banker, and that this resistance is quite often overcome by making it so that our social safety net is a reward for your service. During the great depression, we really had the problem you all are talking about here.. there really were simply not enough jobs to go around. Something had to be done; even fairly conservative folks recognized that something must be done. What was done? well, world war two, but before that, the WPA. To be clear, that wasn't involuntary, like a draft but the point being that the government can and did create jobs for people. There's a lot of complaints about the WPA just digging holes and filling them back up again, and there's some truth in that, but there is also a lot of infrastructure still standing today that was built by the WPA. Personally, I don't really have a horse in this race, but my observation of Americans is that there's going to be a lot of resistance to "healthy young bucks" as Reagan put it, collecting the dole.