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Hardly thousands That is a barefaced lie. Forgetting the rest of the evil attributable to Communist ideology, the Ukrainian Genocide alone is evidence that it

Hardly thousands That is a barefaced lie. Forgetting the rest of the evil attributable to Communist ideology, the Ukrainian Genocide alone is evidence that it was many more than "hardly thousands": http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-study-genocide-conflict-resolution-and-human-rights/ukrainian-famine http://www.ncas.rutgers.edu/center-study-genocide-conflict-r... Indeed, one need only consider the ease of which one could immigrate out of USSR, or other Communist states for that matter, to know something was seriously fucked in your glorious worker's paradise. How good can a political system possibly be when that same system makes it illegal to leave the country and your own citizens are willing to risk their lives to get out? I think if you look back on history, the real stand-out achievements of the Communist system are really it's unrivaled ability to systematically dole out want, suffering, and death to all but a political elite. Given the logic of your last arguments however, I can easily see why someone such as yourself can look past the facts of the matter and support such a murderous, despicable system such as Communism. Pointing to accidental deaths, or deaths from wars, or other misdeeds as somehow justifying the volitional and indiscriminate murder of whole populations defies logic. Someone else's wrong does not justify the sort of violence that your original posting obliquely supported. In the end, your willingness to claim the great benefits of Communism while evading the methods used to cement the power of Communist party officials over the population should be red flag enough to any sane-minded person to reject you and your wares. Even then I would argue the equality of misery produced by the Communist to be no great achievement. Oh... and as for never trying it... I've never been burnt to death either, but I'm smart enough to know I want no part of it.

ommunist 10y ago
This was not equality of misery. It was equality of opportunities. My father was a factory worker, my mother was from peasants family. They were able to put me into high class secondary school and I was in position to select any university after graduating from it. In the modern UK this is financially impossible for a family like that to give that kind of education to their kids. Besides, there was no such thing as 'Ukrainian genocide', its a part of modern US political discourse to maintain the US political agenda in the Eastern Europe, hence the research you are referring to.
- notahacker 10y ago
  In 1989 about 8% of the population of the Soviet Union had been through tertiary education. The modern UK sends nearly half its young adults to university, including an awful lot of people whose parents are manual labourers (we don't, admittedly, have any peasants)
aoeusnth1 10y ago
In reply to ommonuist's claim that there is "no such thing as the Ukrainian genocide", see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor. There's clearly some doublethink going on trying to justify the mass murder of the system he wants to impose on the West.
- ommunist 10y ago
  You know, in 20 years Wikipedia will tell it was only the US who fought Germany in WW2 and someone on HN equivalent will point to that article as a proof of his knowledge. History is not without the sense of irony.
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ommunist 10y ago

This was not equality of misery. It was equality of opportunities. My father was a factory worker, my mother was from peasants family. They were able to put me into high class secondary school and I was in position to select any university after graduating from it. In the modern UK this is financially impossible for a family like that to give that kind of education to their kids. Besides, there was no such thing as 'Ukrainian genocide', its a part of modern US political discourse to maintain the US political agenda in the Eastern Europe, hence the research you are referring to.

notahacker 10y ago
In 1989 about 8% of the population of the Soviet Union had been through tertiary education. The modern UK sends nearly half its young adults to university, including an awful lot of people whose parents are manual labourers (we don't, admittedly, have any peasants)

aoeusnth1 10y ago

In reply to ommonuist's claim that there is "no such thing as the Ukrainian genocide", see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor. There's clearly some doublethink going on trying to justify the mass murder of the system he wants to impose on the West.

ommunist 10y ago
You know, in 20 years Wikipedia will tell it was only the US who fought Germany in WW2 and someone on HN equivalent will point to that article as a proof of his knowledge. History is not without the sense of irony.
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