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I take the same approach. If the number isn't in my address book it goes straight to voice mail and my voice mail message explains to the caller that I don't li

by billh 10y ago

I take the same approach. If the number isn't in my address book it goes straight to voice mail and my voice mail message explains to the caller that I don't listen the messages and directs them to text or email. If it's important enough that someone needs to get a hold of me they should be having a human calling that can follow through with that simple request.

ericabiz 10y ago
It's not that simple when it's a business calling, though. Easy example: I run a repair shop. If you drop off a computer or game console, we ask for your phone number and call you when it's done. We get a LOT of people who do something similar to you, or just leave their voicemail box full, or don't bother to set up voicemail at all. Then they get angry at us: "Why didn't you call me to let me know my system was finished?" "We did, and you didn't answer." "Oh, I don't pick up calls from random numbers." Well, I don't know what to tell you, then... I can't text you, because we don't have a business cell phone to text with. Yes, I suppose I could set up some fancy integrated-with-our-POS system to text you from some number that we could then read replies to, but that both would cost time and money to develop, and would open up yet another vector for us to be contacted by (we already have a phone number, Yelp messages, Facebook messages, and email as it is.) We can (and do) email customers, but email presents its own issues: People like to reply to them and we don't always have time to respond quickly, and people don't check their email often, or it goes into a spam filter... It's not just us. It's your doctor, your pet groomer, anyone who has a local business. My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code, and/or program into your phone the businesses you do business with.
- city41 10y ago
  I honestly don't even know what my local area code is. My cell number is from two moves ago, and phone calls have become so infrequent that learning my local area code just doesn't realistically happen anymore.
- officialchicken 10y ago
  My suggestion is you bite the bullet and realize that advertisers have basically ruined the medium of unknown voice calls. Text messaging with or without email is easy to access online[0] and no longer required an ancient "business line" - you don't need to "integrate" it into your p.o.s. POS either. If you have fb, then there's surely no reason other than will that you can't use SMS. [0] for example, https://www.twilio.com/ https://www.twilio.com/
- zo1 10y ago
  A good solution to this is cellphone apps such as "TrueCaller" (not-affiliated to them, just a good app.). People that have opted-in automatically have their their phonebooks uploaded to the central server. So, for example, if your business were to call me and I mark it as "Business ABC" then all other users of the app that get a call from you would immediately know it's from "Business ABC" despite you never having called them. It's worked so nicely since I got it, I'm surprised we ever did without it. I think it also auto-disconnects calls from numbers that a sufficient-amount of people have flagged as spam. The only problem it doesn't solve is when a business decides to do it's surveys/telemarketing through the same number it attempts to contact clients on. This is especially rife with SMS spam, where they use the same number to SMS you valid "updates" that they use to send promotions/ads and other spam.
- toast0 10y ago
  > My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code This only weeds out lazy robocalls, I get plenty of calls with (presumably spoofed) caller id from my exchange. It would be trivial to add that into a spam script.
  - DrScump 10y ago
    Since they're already spoofing caller-ID anyway, it's trivial to make your phony area code recipient-specific.
  - function_seven 10y ago
    To go even further, approximately 90% of calls that originate from my same area code and exchange (first 6 digits match my own phone number) are telemarketing calls. They're spoofed.
- anexprogrammer 10y ago
  The details of SMS are a little different in the US to here in the UK, but most online SMS sites will give you very simple options: email to SMS, an online form to send SMS (often with the ability to have predefined templates - think MailChimp), probably an API and perhaps other options. You can set up a virtual number to receive incoming - and so do 2 way email - SMS, and (not sure this applies in the US) if you don't need 2 way can spoof your number to show text alert instead, eg the text shows as from "1Up Repairs". In your position it definitely sounds worth exploring. There's a lot of other places than Twilio too. One last hint, if they're "too cheap" they'll be using grey routes and should be avoided like plague.
- dave2000 10y ago
  Aren't you concerned that your lack of texts to people is going to cost you trade or goodwill? I appreciate your problem but at the end of the day it is your problem, and if it can be avoided by you simply texting people for free when their stuff is ready then think we have an obvious solution. But perhaps I'm missing something.
- dingaling 10y ago
  > My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code, and/or program into your phone the businesses you do business with. When a business, local or otherwise, asks me for a phone number I regard it as a spam-vector and decline. It's the businesses that need to adapt, not the customer. A phone number is a very personal piece of information given the intrusion it permits into one's life, and many people are hesitant to share it with one-off requestors for that reason. Why aren't you tweeting 'job #3327 complete'?

by billh 10y ago

ericabiz 10y ago

It's not that simple when it's a business calling, though. Easy example: I run a repair shop. If you drop off a computer or game console, we ask for your phone number and call you when it's done. We get a LOT of people who do something similar to you, or just leave their voicemail box full, or don't bother to set up voicemail at all. Then they get angry at us: "Why didn't you call me to let me know my system was finished?" "We did, and you didn't answer." "Oh, I don't pick up calls from random numbers." Well, I don't know what to tell you, then... I can't text you, because we don't have a business cell phone to text with. Yes, I suppose I could set up some fancy integrated-with-our-POS system to text you from some number that we could then read replies to, but that both would cost time and money to develop, and would open up yet another vector for us to be contacted by (we already have a phone number, Yelp messages, Facebook messages, and email as it is.) We can (and do) email customers, but email presents its own issues: People like to reply to them and we don't always have time to respond quickly, and people don't check their email often, or it goes into a spam filter... It's not just us. It's your doctor, your pet groomer, anyone who has a local business. My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code, and/or program into your phone the businesses you do business with.

city41 10y ago
I honestly don't even know what my local area code is. My cell number is from two moves ago, and phone calls have become so infrequent that learning my local area code just doesn't realistically happen anymore.
officialchicken 10y ago
My suggestion is you bite the bullet and realize that advertisers have basically ruined the medium of unknown voice calls. Text messaging with or without email is easy to access online[0] and no longer required an ancient "business line" - you don't need to "integrate" it into your p.o.s. POS either. If you have fb, then there's surely no reason other than will that you can't use SMS. [0] for example, https://www.twilio.com/ https://www.twilio.com/
zo1 10y ago
A good solution to this is cellphone apps such as "TrueCaller" (not-affiliated to them, just a good app.). People that have opted-in automatically have their their phonebooks uploaded to the central server. So, for example, if your business were to call me and I mark it as "Business ABC" then all other users of the app that get a call from you would immediately know it's from "Business ABC" despite you never having called them. It's worked so nicely since I got it, I'm surprised we ever did without it. I think it also auto-disconnects calls from numbers that a sufficient-amount of people have flagged as spam. The only problem it doesn't solve is when a business decides to do it's surveys/telemarketing through the same number it attempts to contact clients on. This is especially rife with SMS spam, where they use the same number to SMS you valid "updates" that they use to send promotions/ads and other spam.
toast0 10y ago
> My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code This only weeds out lazy robocalls, I get plenty of calls with (presumably spoofed) caller id from my exchange. It would be trivial to add that into a spam script.
- DrScump 10y ago
  Since they're already spoofing caller-ID anyway, it's trivial to make your phony area code recipient-specific.
- function_seven 10y ago
  To go even further, approximately 90% of calls that originate from my same area code and exchange (first 6 digits match my own phone number) are telemarketing calls. They're spoofed.
anexprogrammer 10y ago
The details of SMS are a little different in the US to here in the UK, but most online SMS sites will give you very simple options: email to SMS, an online form to send SMS (often with the ability to have predefined templates - think MailChimp), probably an API and perhaps other options. You can set up a virtual number to receive incoming - and so do 2 way email - SMS, and (not sure this applies in the US) if you don't need 2 way can spoof your number to show text alert instead, eg the text shows as from "1Up Repairs". In your position it definitely sounds worth exploring. There's a lot of other places than Twilio too. One last hint, if they're "too cheap" they'll be using grey routes and should be avoided like plague.
dave2000 10y ago
Aren't you concerned that your lack of texts to people is going to cost you trade or goodwill? I appreciate your problem but at the end of the day it is your problem, and if it can be avoided by you simply texting people for free when their stuff is ready then think we have an obvious solution. But perhaps I'm missing something.
dingaling 10y ago
> My suggestion here is to pick up calls from your local area code, and/or program into your phone the businesses you do business with. When a business, local or otherwise, asks me for a phone number I regard it as a spam-vector and decline. It's the businesses that need to adapt, not the customer. A phone number is a very personal piece of information given the intrusion it permits into one's life, and many people are hesitant to share it with one-off requestors for that reason. Why aren't you tweeting 'job #3327 complete'?