3 ms·

> If ... or employee of the ... makes a sexual advance towards ... or anyone in my company, then they are stripped of all of their shares in my company Wait a

> If ... or employee of the ... makes a sexual advance towards ... or anyone in my company, then they are stripped of all of their shares in my company Wait a sec, I don't get it. If I as employee like some girl and ask her for a date, is it a sexual harassment? To be honest, I don't like this trend...

sarahnadav 10y ago
Did you actually read the post? I think I make it pretty clear
- deftnerd 10y ago
  I must admit that I think that more clarity is a good thing. Would asking someone on a date be considered an "unwanted sexual advance"? Also, the term "unwanted" makes me wonder about the existence of a "wanted sexual advance". I worry that this whole concept is too fraught with "gut feeling" decisions and that could cause injustice or liabilities. It might be cleaner to say that romantic or sexual workplace relationships are forbidden and that extends to investors, contractors, suppliers, vendors, etc. if the relationship clause is violated, all the involved parties will be fired or banned from interacting with the company, with any owned shares seized. Basically like zero-tolerance policies in public school applied to the business world. It's more harsh, but it's equally unfair to everyone.
  - sarahnadav 10y ago
    remember- this isn't for within the company, this isn't a workplace relationship.(for the most part) this is about investors and founders. And just like you have to go to HR for an office relationship, you would need to do something similiar in a case like this
- hal9000xp 10y ago
  I'm in tech industry from ~2003. I worked in UZ, RU, SE, NL (third, second and first worlds!). And I completely disagree with your statement: > Let’s talk about an uncomfortable truth, sexual harassment and assault is common in the tech industry I also disagree that it does make sense officially demonizing men by adding special clause to investment agreement. If someone did something illegal go to the police. If it's not directly illegal then it's a common conflict situation as if one male spit on face of another male. I'm pretty sure you would not add special clause against "spitting on face" although it could happen. Despite nobody add this special clause, I'm pretty sure it's not allowed and if you do that consequences of this action could be pretty serious. What you want to add "makes a sexual advance towards" is very dangerous clause. After all, any flirt, any asking for date is exactly "makes a sexual advance towards".
  - sarahnadav 10y ago
    Sadly, the problem is too widespread to blow off. I already have women asking me for the clause because the fear is real and so is the damage. We are not talking about a workplace romance, this is a very specific relationship, between founder and investor and it shouldn't be so hard for investors to know and clearly get the message that it is inappropriate.

sarahnadav 10y ago

Did you actually read the post? I think I make it pretty clear

deftnerd 10y ago
I must admit that I think that more clarity is a good thing. Would asking someone on a date be considered an "unwanted sexual advance"? Also, the term "unwanted" makes me wonder about the existence of a "wanted sexual advance". I worry that this whole concept is too fraught with "gut feeling" decisions and that could cause injustice or liabilities. It might be cleaner to say that romantic or sexual workplace relationships are forbidden and that extends to investors, contractors, suppliers, vendors, etc. if the relationship clause is violated, all the involved parties will be fired or banned from interacting with the company, with any owned shares seized. Basically like zero-tolerance policies in public school applied to the business world. It's more harsh, but it's equally unfair to everyone.
- sarahnadav 10y ago
  remember- this isn't for within the company, this isn't a workplace relationship.(for the most part) this is about investors and founders. And just like you have to go to HR for an office relationship, you would need to do something similiar in a case like this
hal9000xp 10y ago
I'm in tech industry from ~2003. I worked in UZ, RU, SE, NL (third, second and first worlds!). And I completely disagree with your statement: > Let’s talk about an uncomfortable truth, sexual harassment and assault is common in the tech industry I also disagree that it does make sense officially demonizing men by adding special clause to investment agreement. If someone did something illegal go to the police. If it's not directly illegal then it's a common conflict situation as if one male spit on face of another male. I'm pretty sure you would not add special clause against "spitting on face" although it could happen. Despite nobody add this special clause, I'm pretty sure it's not allowed and if you do that consequences of this action could be pretty serious. What you want to add "makes a sexual advance towards" is very dangerous clause. After all, any flirt, any asking for date is exactly "makes a sexual advance towards".
- sarahnadav 10y ago
  Sadly, the problem is too widespread to blow off. I already have women asking me for the clause because the fear is real and so is the damage. We are not talking about a workplace romance, this is a very specific relationship, between founder and investor and it shouldn't be so hard for investors to know and clearly get the message that it is inappropriate.