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>The whole world, sans programmers, keeps moaning on complexity of computers, and Unix, and how hard it is to learn all those arcane commands and abstractions a
by MustardTiger 10y ago
>The whole world, sans programmers, keeps moaning on complexity of computers, and Unix, and how hard it is to learn all those arcane commands and abstractions and why things can't be just plain and simple. I'll skip rants about how it's related to file abstractions
It says "no one, in the unix world". People outside of the unix world are not in the unix world. The point is, unix became very popular despite being bad (or perhaps because of being bad). Even within unix, the worse a system is, the more popular it is in general (see a typical linux distro full of randomly tossed together junk).
- zxcvcxz 10y ago> the worse a system is, the more popular it is in general That's true of non-unixy systems too, see: Windows. And by that same logic, OS X is the worst Unix. A whole bunch of tools thrown together is pretty much the definition of an operating system.
- rayiner 10y agoOS X is not the worst UNIX. Darwin is kind of a shit kernel, but the user land is way more sensibly designed than your typical Linux distro (which is, as OP said, a random collection of junk).
- tptacek 10y agoFor desktops systems, maybe, but there's a reason almost nobody delivers SAAS stuff on Darwin, even as some do deliver on Windows.
- iris-digital 10y agoExcept for package management.
- rayiner 10y agoDon't agree. Self contained app bundles are great. I use homebrew for some stuff and dependencies are a PITA. E.g. multiple incompatible Python versions.
- madmax96 10y agoThat's because OS X's user land is based on BSD. BSD in general is a much more well thought out UNIX-like OS than Linux. When I made the switch a couple of years back, I was surprised at how simply everything fit together compared to my experiences in the Linux space.