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I agree with you, and it's very easy to test. Print 15 mixed weather icons on one sheet of paper and 15 red/green/orange circles in another. Show them to test s

by JorgeGT 10y ago

I agree with you, and it's very easy to test. Print 15 mixed weather icons on one sheet of paper and 15 red/green/orange circles in another. Show them to test subjects for 1-2 seconds, and ask them to assess the situation. Now repeat the test, but showing the sheets from two meters away. Our brain is really good at color cues, and especially red = danger is deeply wired into us!

crummy 10y ago
Red = danger doesn't seem to be so widespread outside the western world: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours-in-cultures/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours...
- oblio 10y ago
  Possible, on the other hand traffic lights around the world have pretty much standardized on: - green/blue: safe/go - (optional) yellow: caution - red: danger/stop I don't know of any country where this convention is not in use.
  - i386 10y ago
    As I learnt looking into the indicators the accessibility of traffic lights had a lot more to do with their vertical position than their colors. Can't use solid green, yellow and red if we want them to be understood by people with various forms of color blindness.
    - tylermac1 10y ago
      But you could make colorblind-friendly color schemes available through plugins instead of making a slightly more confusing option default.
      - i386 10y ago
        Do you mean the weather icons? They are not the alternative to properly designed status indicators. Take a look at this https://jenkins.io/images/post-images/blueocean/pr-view.png https://jenkins.io/images/post-images/blueocean/pr-view.png There's more about why and when we use them in my other comments.
- JorgeGT 10y ago
  Since the graph list "web sources" as a source, a cursory web search of "danger sign + region" reveals that red seems predominant in danger signs from: - India: http://3.imimg.com/data3/II/GU/MY-762554/danger-signs-boards-500x500.jpg http://3.imimg.com/data3/II/GU/MY-762554/danger-signs-boards... - Asia: http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/152921698-warning-these-signs-are-placed-by-mines-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=UdpLW%2FNwgyJBXS8bvU3B0JP45L0APBXzoe2WeYvI88iSZA616eQybUb29WU%2F9Y%2BO http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/152921698-warning-these-sig... - Africa: http://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/danger-sign.png http://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/d... - Middle East: http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/474346969-an-israeli-sign-is-displayed-on-a-road-at-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QZ0g8WYG9hGH0gmJ76R1NjT0YR6Kr%2F8%2B%2FYm5DvBrLHjzyIqwIuhXFw6OVyjDieaX1w%3D%3D http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/474346969-an-israeli-sign-i...
- SEJeff 10y ago
  Look no further than mother nature, where bright colors often mean WARNING, I WILL MESS YOU UP. A few things to look up as examples: * Rosary Pea * Coral Snake * Stag Beetle * Jerusalem Cherry * Phantasmal poison frog * Strawberry poison dart frog * Bittersweet nightshade berries
  - robocat 10y ago
    The Coral snake is debatable: it is so deadly that no animal can "learn" by getting bitten by it. Instead one theory is that the mimicry is in reverse: the coral snake is mimicking the non-fatally venomous "false coral snake" which is also more numerous. There are a variety of different theories on mimicry, and the science of the coral snake is still debated...
jacques_chester 10y ago
> Our brain is really good at color cues, and especially red = danger is deeply wired into us! Except for the colourblind, who need additional ways for that information to be conveyed. I like red/green schemes too, but there always needs to be other cues.
- jamesdwilson 10y ago
  so that can be an option instead of crippling everyone else.
  - jacques_chester 10y ago
    It's not an either/or proposition, designs can accommodate both. The simplest approach is to add a symbol for failures, to distinguish them from successes. Other colours can be chosen for other statuses that the colour-blind can distinguish without additional symbols.
    - i386 10y ago
      > It's not an either/or proposition, designs can accommodate both. And Blue Ocean accommodates both. I think this would be a good blog post :)
stephenconnolly 10y ago
For the record, this was by design I wanted the status balls to be the primary focus. The weather icons should only be looked at when all the builds are blue. If they are too attention grabbing then you don't go fixing the red (didn't built) and yellow (tests failing) builds first

by JorgeGT 10y ago

crummy 10y ago

Red = danger doesn't seem to be so widespread outside the western world: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours-in-cultures/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/colours...

oblio 10y ago
Possible, on the other hand traffic lights around the world have pretty much standardized on: - green/blue: safe/go - (optional) yellow: caution - red: danger/stop I don't know of any country where this convention is not in use.
- i386 10y ago
  As I learnt looking into the indicators the accessibility of traffic lights had a lot more to do with their vertical position than their colors. Can't use solid green, yellow and red if we want them to be understood by people with various forms of color blindness.
  - tylermac1 10y ago
    But you could make colorblind-friendly color schemes available through plugins instead of making a slightly more confusing option default.
    - i386 10y ago
      Do you mean the weather icons? They are not the alternative to properly designed status indicators. Take a look at this https://jenkins.io/images/post-images/blueocean/pr-view.png https://jenkins.io/images/post-images/blueocean/pr-view.png There's more about why and when we use them in my other comments.
JorgeGT 10y ago
Since the graph list "web sources" as a source, a cursory web search of "danger sign + region" reveals that red seems predominant in danger signs from: - India: http://3.imimg.com/data3/II/GU/MY-762554/danger-signs-boards-500x500.jpg http://3.imimg.com/data3/II/GU/MY-762554/danger-signs-boards... - Asia: http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/152921698-warning-these-signs-are-placed-by-mines-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=UdpLW%2FNwgyJBXS8bvU3B0JP45L0APBXzoe2WeYvI88iSZA616eQybUb29WU%2F9Y%2BO http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/152921698-warning-these-sig... - Africa: http://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/danger-sign.png http://www.lifeloveandsugar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/d... - Middle East: http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/474346969-an-israeli-sign-is-displayed-on-a-road-at-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QZ0g8WYG9hGH0gmJ76R1NjT0YR6Kr%2F8%2B%2FYm5DvBrLHjzyIqwIuhXFw6OVyjDieaX1w%3D%3D http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/474346969-an-israeli-sign-i...
SEJeff 10y ago
Look no further than mother nature, where bright colors often mean WARNING, I WILL MESS YOU UP. A few things to look up as examples: * Rosary Pea * Coral Snake * Stag Beetle * Jerusalem Cherry * Phantasmal poison frog * Strawberry poison dart frog * Bittersweet nightshade berries
- robocat 10y ago
  The Coral snake is debatable: it is so deadly that no animal can "learn" by getting bitten by it. Instead one theory is that the mimicry is in reverse: the coral snake is mimicking the non-fatally venomous "false coral snake" which is also more numerous. There are a variety of different theories on mimicry, and the science of the coral snake is still debated...

jacques_chester 10y ago

> Our brain is really good at color cues, and especially red = danger is deeply wired into us! Except for the colourblind, who need additional ways for that information to be conveyed. I like red/green schemes too, but there always needs to be other cues.

jamesdwilson 10y ago
so that can be an option instead of crippling everyone else.
- jacques_chester 10y ago
  It's not an either/or proposition, designs can accommodate both. The simplest approach is to add a symbol for failures, to distinguish them from successes. Other colours can be chosen for other statuses that the colour-blind can distinguish without additional symbols.
  - i386 10y ago
    > It's not an either/or proposition, designs can accommodate both. And Blue Ocean accommodates both. I think this would be a good blog post :)

stephenconnolly 10y ago

For the record, this was by design I wanted the status balls to be the primary focus. The weather icons should only be looked at when all the builds are blue. If they are too attention grabbing then you don't go fixing the red (didn't built) and yellow (tests failing) builds first