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Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general so

Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general sort of malaise you can see present in the US at least, it's why (or possibly because of) we see so much shit marketed to us via faux authenticity. Maybe it's just a perspective thing but I really think theirs a growing number of people developing a kind of knee jerk agrarian-utiopianist streak. I don't know what to recommend as far as further reading but it's certainly a concept that has been explored.

paganel 10y ago
> Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality We've been moving past this "physicality" for at least the last 3,000 years, it's what makes us, well, rational and modern humans. Case in point, the mighty Achilles and Hector both die, while the non-physical Ulysses finally manages to return home to his beloved Penelope. Also see Goliath vs David.
- gadders 10y ago
  The non-physical Ulysses who has a bow that no-one except him is strong enough to string? Yeah, what a weed.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Hahaha yeah the meatheads have always bad-mouthed us tool-users.
gadders 10y ago
Try strength training. I.e lifting weights not for aesthetic reasons but to get stronger and lift heavier weights. I stayed it and loved it. It really is like levelling up your life and having a secret super power.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  I do strength training more as a way to exert a somewhat healthy form of control over my body which helps tremendously with my nigh-crippling self esteem/body issues (therapy might help too but $35 at a gym is much cheaper).
rsync 10y ago
"Not wrestling specifically" Why not ? It's arguably the most basic of human athletic endeavors (besides walking and running), it's extremely beneficial to your health (nothing exercises every single little muscle in your body - but wrestling does) and depending on where you set your output dial, it's as high output of a sport as is possible. Further, the popularity of BJJ opens up a lot of venues and increased interest - male and female - all over the country. Recommended.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  Oh no, I just meant that I think that sort of deep longing/suadade for some sort of physical (competitive or not)... something, while not often expressed as a desire for wrestling, seems fairly common in the general population. That's "not wrestling specifically" as in "not limited to just wrestling". Although I usually recommend Judo.
- stdbrouw 10y ago
  > nothing exercises every single little muscle in your body - but wrestling does Citation needed.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    ...or you could just, like, engage in some physical activity. Wrestling is fun, but if you're not still in school and your group of friends doesn't include some adventurous people roughly your size it might be hard to get started. Alternatively, you could just go to a party at which everybody gets really hammered, and suggest wrestling at the right time. Don't be a dick and get pissed off, though.
wutbrodo 10y ago
> Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general sort of malaise you can see present in the US at least, it's why (or possibly because of) we see so much shit marketed to us via faux authenticity. I used to wonder why people would talk about running in language reminiscent of religion and addiction, until I started feeling the malaise you're describing strongly enough. Unrelatedly, I left my job around the same time (this was about a year ago) and lost the use of their onsite gyms, and started running for the first time since college. Something was different between my college runs and these newer runs. In college I would bang out 2 or 3 somewhat tedious miles and come home feeling nothing more than satisfied that I had done my required amount of physical activity. I'm not 18 anymore so I've had to be careful about stretching and warming up, but with these new runs, I was up to ten miles within a week and a half. "Getting exercise because it's healthy" is almost incidental to the reason I run now, which has a lot more to do with the feeling of pushing myself as hard and as long as you can. It's a pretty potent antidote to the general feeling of malaise; it seems that something hardwired pretty deeply in us considers difficult physical activity as worthwhile in and of itself. I'm sure there's more to it (the agrarian-utopianist/yearning for authentic experiences that you're describing), but hard physical activity alone gets you some of the way there, in the same way that you can access some of the surface benefits of meditation without delving into all of its traditional philosophical baggage.
ArkyBeagle 10y ago
This is real - the agrarian-utopianist streak - but it's very sad. There is a middle course. Just unplug some and you'll be fine. If the TV has to be on, put it on CSPAN or something. It's not reading (I'm verging on post-literacy myself ) , but one of the Adam Curtis films* has a treatise about an agrarian-utopian communes late '60s. And of course it fell apart. *"All Watched Over", I think. I recommend some measure of Dionysian ... exercise - just don't hurt yourself. I have a few beers and play honky tonk music in actual honky tonks ( and somebody else is driving ) . The beers are optional, so I can drive myself, but it's a little less great that way.
- mosdave 10y ago
  > but it's very sad. what makes it sad?
  - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
    In a Louis CK "Everything is amazing and nobody is happy" way. Because in a non-agrarian-utopian way, we've managed to eliminate food insecurity. I think completely. If we could actually move it all around properly, nobody need starve. People starve because food is ... inconveniently located. So I am an Okie. I got an orange every year in my Christmas stocking. Okay, so it's an orange. Only years later did it dawn on me - people didn't have oranges. My parents didn't have oranges. In my lifetime ( or perhaps theirs; don't get too detailed on me ) , this happened. The sheer mass of human activity behind that symbol is .. terrifying. Throwing it away... I don't know how that works. My uncles, granduncles all farmed. It like to killed 'em. Now, it's just ... button pushing. We have no idea what we came from and what is at stake. And that is what makes me sad.

paganel 10y ago

> Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality We've been moving past this "physicality" for at least the last 3,000 years, it's what makes us, well, rational and modern humans. Case in point, the mighty Achilles and Hector both die, while the non-physical Ulysses finally manages to return home to his beloved Penelope. Also see Goliath vs David.

gadders 10y ago
The non-physical Ulysses who has a bow that no-one except him is strong enough to string? Yeah, what a weed.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Hahaha yeah the meatheads have always bad-mouthed us tool-users.

gadders 10y ago

Try strength training. I.e lifting weights not for aesthetic reasons but to get stronger and lift heavier weights. I stayed it and loved it. It really is like levelling up your life and having a secret super power.

Avshalom 10y ago
I do strength training more as a way to exert a somewhat healthy form of control over my body which helps tremendously with my nigh-crippling self esteem/body issues (therapy might help too but $35 at a gym is much cheaper).

rsync 10y ago

"Not wrestling specifically" Why not ? It's arguably the most basic of human athletic endeavors (besides walking and running), it's extremely beneficial to your health (nothing exercises every single little muscle in your body - but wrestling does) and depending on where you set your output dial, it's as high output of a sport as is possible. Further, the popularity of BJJ opens up a lot of venues and increased interest - male and female - all over the country. Recommended.

Avshalom 10y ago
Oh no, I just meant that I think that sort of deep longing/suadade for some sort of physical (competitive or not)... something, while not often expressed as a desire for wrestling, seems fairly common in the general population. That's "not wrestling specifically" as in "not limited to just wrestling". Although I usually recommend Judo.
stdbrouw 10y ago
> nothing exercises every single little muscle in your body - but wrestling does Citation needed.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  ...or you could just, like, engage in some physical activity. Wrestling is fun, but if you're not still in school and your group of friends doesn't include some adventurous people roughly your size it might be hard to get started. Alternatively, you could just go to a party at which everybody gets really hammered, and suggest wrestling at the right time. Don't be a dick and get pissed off, though.

wutbrodo 10y ago

> Not wrestling specifically, but you certainly wouldn't be the first to feel a sort of alienation from... I don't know: call it physicality. There's a general sort of malaise you can see present in the US at least, it's why (or possibly because of) we see so much shit marketed to us via faux authenticity. I used to wonder why people would talk about running in language reminiscent of religion and addiction, until I started feeling the malaise you're describing strongly enough. Unrelatedly, I left my job around the same time (this was about a year ago) and lost the use of their onsite gyms, and started running for the first time since college. Something was different between my college runs and these newer runs. In college I would bang out 2 or 3 somewhat tedious miles and come home feeling nothing more than satisfied that I had done my required amount of physical activity. I'm not 18 anymore so I've had to be careful about stretching and warming up, but with these new runs, I was up to ten miles within a week and a half. "Getting exercise because it's healthy" is almost incidental to the reason I run now, which has a lot more to do with the feeling of pushing myself as hard and as long as you can. It's a pretty potent antidote to the general feeling of malaise; it seems that something hardwired pretty deeply in us considers difficult physical activity as worthwhile in and of itself. I'm sure there's more to it (the agrarian-utopianist/yearning for authentic experiences that you're describing), but hard physical activity alone gets you some of the way there, in the same way that you can access some of the surface benefits of meditation without delving into all of its traditional philosophical baggage.

ArkyBeagle 10y ago

This is real - the agrarian-utopianist streak - but it's very sad. There is a middle course. Just unplug some and you'll be fine. If the TV has to be on, put it on CSPAN or something. It's not reading (I'm verging on post-literacy myself ) , but one of the Adam Curtis films* has a treatise about an agrarian-utopian communes late '60s. And of course it fell apart. *"All Watched Over", I think. I recommend some measure of Dionysian ... exercise - just don't hurt yourself. I have a few beers and play honky tonk music in actual honky tonks ( and somebody else is driving ) . The beers are optional, so I can drive myself, but it's a little less great that way.

mosdave 10y ago
> but it's very sad. what makes it sad?
- ArkyBeagle 10y ago
  In a Louis CK "Everything is amazing and nobody is happy" way. Because in a non-agrarian-utopian way, we've managed to eliminate food insecurity. I think completely. If we could actually move it all around properly, nobody need starve. People starve because food is ... inconveniently located. So I am an Okie. I got an orange every year in my Christmas stocking. Okay, so it's an orange. Only years later did it dawn on me - people didn't have oranges. My parents didn't have oranges. In my lifetime ( or perhaps theirs; don't get too detailed on me ) , this happened. The sheer mass of human activity behind that symbol is .. terrifying. Throwing it away... I don't know how that works. My uncles, granduncles all farmed. It like to killed 'em. Now, it's just ... button pushing. We have no idea what we came from and what is at stake. And that is what makes me sad.