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Yea AirBNB ultimately can try to mitigate, but cannot solve completely this problem. Even if they try to blind the profile, at some point the guest has to show

by readams 10y ago

Yea AirBNB ultimately can try to mitigate, but cannot solve completely this problem. Even if they try to blind the profile, at some point the guest has to show up at the host's house. In a way, it's probably better to avoid the racist host before that occurs. Of course, discriminating in this way is already illegal for normal rentals, but when you have rentals of rooms in people's houses I believe it actually is legal for hosts to discriminate in some cases. I really can't see how any sort of effective enforcement method could exist other than waiting for the racist assholes to die, sadly.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Of course, discriminating in this way is already illegal for normal rentals, but when you have rentals of rooms in people's houses I believe it actually is legal for hosts to discriminate in some cases. In California (the rules on this vary considerably by jurisdiction within the US), there is generally very little limit on discrimination by those renting out a room to a single roomer/boarder (but not if they are renting to multiple roomers/boarders), in an owner-occupied single family dwelling, though they generally can't advertise preference on any protected axis except gender, and only for that when there are shared living areas. In a case like this, renting out the entire place when the terms of the rental is that the owner won't be there, this exception wouldn't seem to apply, though Idaho may have different rules (I'm having more trouble quickly finding a good description of Idaho's rules.)
- snuxoll 10y ago
  > In a case like this, renting out the entire place when the terms of the rental is that the owner won't be there, this exception wouldn't seem to apply, though Idaho may have different rules (I'm having more trouble quickly finding a good description of Idaho's rules.) Good luck, there's not much for rental regulations in the state of Idaho, and literally nothing for short-term rentals. It would come down to whether renting a property on AirBnB constitutes a lessor/lessee relationship, in which case the Fair Housing Act automatically kicks in.
- the_ancient 10y ago
  >In California Good thing this home is in Idaho...
vox_mollis 10y ago
waiting for the racist assholes to die Serious (offtopic) metaquestion: why is the postmodern view that all people, including violent criminals, are victims/products of their environment, but racists are uniquely and irredeemably evil to their core?
- daveguy 10y ago
  I don't think the sentiment was "die racists die!", but rather, "well, those backwards thinking assholes from the pre-60s are dying off anyway -- might as well wait em out".
- sametmax 10y ago
  Or that racism is an absolute. It's not. People can reject some other people in any direction, change course for good or bad at any point in life because of experiences or media, and this has usually nothing to do with personnal conviction. Just fear. Usually it's more about a form of unstable and contextual xenophobia. But it's not just against people. Also about all living things, object, behavior, events... People are label racists like it's a deep nature, while it's most likely a small symptom of poor education + a twisted defensive reaction that is bigger than that, and is not particularly linked to race.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > why is the postmodern view that all people, including violent criminals, are victims/products of their environment, but racists are uniquely and irredeemably evil to their core? Well, I don't agree that that is the postmodern view, unless you define "postmodern" to specifically mean that view so that it is tautologically true; particularly, I don't believe that its all that common for any person (regardless of whether the label "postmodern" applies) to hold simultaneously to both of those beliefs. They may both be beliefs that are visible in some segment of the population, and there may be some overlap, but I don't think there is much correlation. But, in any case, even if they were commonly held together, there is nothing inconsistent in believing that all beliefs and behavior patterns are products of the interaction of the individual with the external environment, and believing that there are certain beliefs and behavior patterns that, once established, are not correctable through any change in the environment that other people can effect (even if the same behaviors/beliefs may be made less likely to manifest in those who have not already manifested them), such that those behaviors/beliefs only go away when the people holding them die.
cmurf 10y ago
Once something like this happens, AirBnB puts a "I'm a racist" sticker on the host's profile? I mean, if you're going to say it's better to avoid the racist host before it occurs, maybe avoid it just a touch sooner so the guest doesn't even make contact in the first place? Oh and make the profile public of course.

by readams 10y ago

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Of course, discriminating in this way is already illegal for normal rentals, but when you have rentals of rooms in people's houses I believe it actually is legal for hosts to discriminate in some cases. In California (the rules on this vary considerably by jurisdiction within the US), there is generally very little limit on discrimination by those renting out a room to a single roomer/boarder (but not if they are renting to multiple roomers/boarders), in an owner-occupied single family dwelling, though they generally can't advertise preference on any protected axis except gender, and only for that when there are shared living areas. In a case like this, renting out the entire place when the terms of the rental is that the owner won't be there, this exception wouldn't seem to apply, though Idaho may have different rules (I'm having more trouble quickly finding a good description of Idaho's rules.)

snuxoll 10y ago
> In a case like this, renting out the entire place when the terms of the rental is that the owner won't be there, this exception wouldn't seem to apply, though Idaho may have different rules (I'm having more trouble quickly finding a good description of Idaho's rules.) Good luck, there's not much for rental regulations in the state of Idaho, and literally nothing for short-term rentals. It would come down to whether renting a property on AirBnB constitutes a lessor/lessee relationship, in which case the Fair Housing Act automatically kicks in.
the_ancient 10y ago
>In California Good thing this home is in Idaho...

vox_mollis 10y ago

waiting for the racist assholes to die Serious (offtopic) metaquestion: why is the postmodern view that all people, including violent criminals, are victims/products of their environment, but racists are uniquely and irredeemably evil to their core?

daveguy 10y ago
I don't think the sentiment was "die racists die!", but rather, "well, those backwards thinking assholes from the pre-60s are dying off anyway -- might as well wait em out".
sametmax 10y ago
Or that racism is an absolute. It's not. People can reject some other people in any direction, change course for good or bad at any point in life because of experiences or media, and this has usually nothing to do with personnal conviction. Just fear. Usually it's more about a form of unstable and contextual xenophobia. But it's not just against people. Also about all living things, object, behavior, events... People are label racists like it's a deep nature, while it's most likely a small symptom of poor education + a twisted defensive reaction that is bigger than that, and is not particularly linked to race.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> why is the postmodern view that all people, including violent criminals, are victims/products of their environment, but racists are uniquely and irredeemably evil to their core? Well, I don't agree that that is the postmodern view, unless you define "postmodern" to specifically mean that view so that it is tautologically true; particularly, I don't believe that its all that common for any person (regardless of whether the label "postmodern" applies) to hold simultaneously to both of those beliefs. They may both be beliefs that are visible in some segment of the population, and there may be some overlap, but I don't think there is much correlation. But, in any case, even if they were commonly held together, there is nothing inconsistent in believing that all beliefs and behavior patterns are products of the interaction of the individual with the external environment, and believing that there are certain beliefs and behavior patterns that, once established, are not correctable through any change in the environment that other people can effect (even if the same behaviors/beliefs may be made less likely to manifest in those who have not already manifested them), such that those behaviors/beliefs only go away when the people holding them die.

cmurf 10y ago

Once something like this happens, AirBnB puts a "I'm a racist" sticker on the host's profile? I mean, if you're going to say it's better to avoid the racist host before it occurs, maybe avoid it just a touch sooner so the guest doesn't even make contact in the first place? Oh and make the profile public of course.