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It isn't a "life-saving technique", it is bunk: "There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and in

It isn't a "life-saving technique", it is bunk: "There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in."

moonshinefe 10y ago
It isn't though, if you read past the first paragraph in the wikipedia history of the technique. "The European Resuscitation Council and the Mayo Clinic recommend alternating between five back slaps and five abdominal thrusts in cases of severe airway obstructions.[1][2]" I hardly think they'd still recommend the maneuver still if it was "bunk".
- MustardTiger 10y ago
  >I hardly think they'd still recommend the maneuver still if it was "bunk". The mayo clinic doesn't recommend it any more. And your logic there makes no sense. At what point does "still" matter? It used to be recommended by more people. It has been falling out of favor as more and more organizations stop recommending it as there is no evidence to support it. The fact that a few haven't updated their guidelines yet doesn't make it supported by evidence.
ChuckMcM 10y ago
Interesting, that quote lead me to the article in Cincinatti Magazine (https://books.google.com/books?id=rcMqOFGzb_oC&lpg=PA92&ots=Xlw6axM1lX&dq=There%20was%20never%20any%20science%20here.%20Heimlich%20overpowered%20science%20all%20along&pg=PA88#v=onepage&q=There%20was%20never%20any%20science%20here.%20Heimlich%20overpowered%20science%20all%20along&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=rcMqOFGzb_oC&lpg=PA92&ots=...) which is actually a bit mixed. Reading the article it seems the author admits that it works, and the "new way" starts with back slaps and then goes into using "abdominal thrusts" (aka "The Heimlich maneuver") But between the original published idea and this article really it says more that it might not be the most effective technique, it never says it is "bunk"

moonshinefe 10y ago

It isn't though, if you read past the first paragraph in the wikipedia history of the technique. "The European Resuscitation Council and the Mayo Clinic recommend alternating between five back slaps and five abdominal thrusts in cases of severe airway obstructions.[1][2]" I hardly think they'd still recommend the maneuver still if it was "bunk".

MustardTiger 10y ago
>I hardly think they'd still recommend the maneuver still if it was "bunk". The mayo clinic doesn't recommend it any more. And your logic there makes no sense. At what point does "still" matter? It used to be recommended by more people. It has been falling out of favor as more and more organizations stop recommending it as there is no evidence to support it. The fact that a few haven't updated their guidelines yet doesn't make it supported by evidence.

ChuckMcM 10y ago

Interesting, that quote lead me to the article in Cincinatti Magazine (https://books.google.com/books?id=rcMqOFGzb_oC&lpg=PA92&ots=Xlw6axM1lX&dq=There%20was%20never%20any%20science%20here.%20Heimlich%20overpowered%20science%20all%20along&pg=PA88#v=onepage&q=There%20was%20never%20any%20science%20here.%20Heimlich%20overpowered%20science%20all%20along&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=rcMqOFGzb_oC&lpg=PA92&ots=...) which is actually a bit mixed. Reading the article it seems the author admits that it works, and the "new way" starts with back slaps and then goes into using "abdominal thrusts" (aka "The Heimlich maneuver") But between the original published idea and this article really it says more that it might not be the most effective technique, it never says it is "bunk"