4 ms·

To my knowledge cover songs have a statutory right, while remixes do not. This article is failing to highlight how important a distinction this is. You have th

To my knowledge cover songs have a statutory right, while remixes do not. This article is failing to highlight how important a distinction this is. You have the legal right to record a cover song, and the royalty is set by law. The artist can only block it later by arguing some change you inflicted in the composition and recording resulted in a derivative work ... which I would imagine is how the Cars example came to be. Remixes you must secure permission, as there is zero statutory right to use even a millisecond of someone else's recording for any purpose whatsoever.

rvlouie 10y ago
^ Accurate.
jbrantly 10y ago
> as there is zero statutory right to use even a millisecond of someone else's recording for any purpose whatsoever. Just to be clear, by "any purpose whatsoever" you mean for a remix, right? In other words, fair use still applies to songs.
- extra88 10y ago
  Fair use basically doesn't apply to recordings of songs. The practitioners and those in the business of different categories of creative works can establish different standards for qualifies as fair use. In the early Nineties, the music industry basically decided that there was more money to be made from licensing samples than from fostering the creation of works that use samples. To be more precise, a fair use defense on a sample not being a substantial or essential part of the original work (if the source can be recognized, the sample is substantial) or it not causing financial harm (because paid sample licensing exists) is dead. Defense based on your work being commentary or parody of the original work is still available. Theoretically, a defense based on transforming the sample is still available but in practice if the source can be recognized, the use wasn't sufficiently transformative.
Animats 10y ago
Right. The distinction is that a "cover" is derived from the work of the composer. Traditionally, a "cover" starts from sheet music. Only the composer's rights matter. There's a compulsory license deal for composers in the US, with a fixed statutory rate, and the Harry Fox Agency handles most such licensing. A "remix" is derived from the work of the composer and musician(s). So you need a license for both the composition and the recorded work. There's no obligation to sell you such a license. Generally, record companies own the rights in commercial recorded music, but composers often own their own rights. The recording industry is the main beneficiary of this arrangement, because they can record existing songs and sell them. The RIAA likes this setup. The mixtape crowd doesn't like it, but tough. They're not doing much original. If you don't like it, write and perform your own stuff.
6stringmerc 10y ago
So here's what the article glossed over, and I do understand: the "legal right" to record a cover song, in the United States, involves contacting the rights holder of the composition / publishing rights. For most popular songs, past and present, that has been the Harry Fox Agency (only recently has Loudr joined the picture). HFA required, at the time of my asking, a blanket amount. For the granting of the "legal right" to record the cover, HFA had an introductory tier of X,XXX units. As in, to record one digital copy of the song, the up-front payment was the equivalent of it being sold in hard copy (or digitally) X,XXX times. X,XXX multiplied by the royalty set by law is not an insignificant sum. For an independent artist, non-label backed or advanced, this amount is prohibitive. Thus, either go the legal and potentially costly up-front route, which is real and was glossed over in the article, or go the unlicensed route. What your comment fails to address in the latter part, regarding remixes, is that according to press releases and public information by SoundCloud and Dubset, "rights holders" are granting a negotiated statutory right for the providers to host and provide compensation for the use of someone else's recording. Your statement is correct in the legal, traditional sense, but that statement is apparently being revised through market forces, as noted in the article.

rvlouie 10y ago

^ Accurate.

jbrantly 10y ago

> as there is zero statutory right to use even a millisecond of someone else's recording for any purpose whatsoever. Just to be clear, by "any purpose whatsoever" you mean for a remix, right? In other words, fair use still applies to songs.

extra88 10y ago
Fair use basically doesn't apply to recordings of songs. The practitioners and those in the business of different categories of creative works can establish different standards for qualifies as fair use. In the early Nineties, the music industry basically decided that there was more money to be made from licensing samples than from fostering the creation of works that use samples. To be more precise, a fair use defense on a sample not being a substantial or essential part of the original work (if the source can be recognized, the sample is substantial) or it not causing financial harm (because paid sample licensing exists) is dead. Defense based on your work being commentary or parody of the original work is still available. Theoretically, a defense based on transforming the sample is still available but in practice if the source can be recognized, the use wasn't sufficiently transformative.

Animats 10y ago

Right. The distinction is that a "cover" is derived from the work of the composer. Traditionally, a "cover" starts from sheet music. Only the composer's rights matter. There's a compulsory license deal for composers in the US, with a fixed statutory rate, and the Harry Fox Agency handles most such licensing. A "remix" is derived from the work of the composer and musician(s). So you need a license for both the composition and the recorded work. There's no obligation to sell you such a license. Generally, record companies own the rights in commercial recorded music, but composers often own their own rights. The recording industry is the main beneficiary of this arrangement, because they can record existing songs and sell them. The RIAA likes this setup. The mixtape crowd doesn't like it, but tough. They're not doing much original. If you don't like it, write and perform your own stuff.

6stringmerc 10y ago

So here's what the article glossed over, and I do understand: the "legal right" to record a cover song, in the United States, involves contacting the rights holder of the composition / publishing rights. For most popular songs, past and present, that has been the Harry Fox Agency (only recently has Loudr joined the picture). HFA required, at the time of my asking, a blanket amount. For the granting of the "legal right" to record the cover, HFA had an introductory tier of X,XXX units. As in, to record one digital copy of the song, the up-front payment was the equivalent of it being sold in hard copy (or digitally) X,XXX times. X,XXX multiplied by the royalty set by law is not an insignificant sum. For an independent artist, non-label backed or advanced, this amount is prohibitive. Thus, either go the legal and potentially costly up-front route, which is real and was glossed over in the article, or go the unlicensed route. What your comment fails to address in the latter part, regarding remixes, is that according to press releases and public information by SoundCloud and Dubset, "rights holders" are granting a negotiated statutory right for the providers to host and provide compensation for the use of someone else's recording. Your statement is correct in the legal, traditional sense, but that statement is apparently being revised through market forces, as noted in the article.