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How is this constitutional? I thought the courts have already clearly ruled that emails are private and therefor require a warrant.

a3n 10y ago
It could take years for any case to reach the Supreme Court. In the mean time they can surveil away, and when/if the Nine (or will it still be Eight?) rule it back, no one will be punished. Win!
voxic11 10y ago
They have not. Only emails you hold yourself are protected under the Constitution. Emails held by third parties like Gmail are subject to the third party doctrine and therefore have no constitutional protections. They still have some statuary protections which this bill is actually expanding (mostly besides this part).
- anf 10y ago
  Is there a market for email server software with UX akin to Sandstorm, then (i.e. easy to install / self-maintaining), or would this apply to EC2 servers just as it does to email? If so, a simple physical mail server with a battery / cellular network connection for power or network outages seems like a good technical solution. The more reasonable solution is a legal one, of course: treat treat third party email the same way one treats a third party mailbox (PO box). Safety deposit boxes are a good comparison, as well: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/microsoft-tells-us-the-worlds-servers-are-not-yours-for-the-taking/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/microsoft-tells-u...
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    I would guess/hope something like this is on the sandstorm roadmap but I don't know.
    - anf 10y ago
      https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/email/ https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/email/ Running a Sandstorm instance in your home with backup network / power is a separate story, however.
      - reitanqild 10y ago
        As long as it is for personal use I at least don't feel the need for redundant power or network. I also ran a sandstorm instance locally for a few months and it was boring in a good way.

a3n 10y ago

It could take years for any case to reach the Supreme Court. In the mean time they can surveil away, and when/if the Nine (or will it still be Eight?) rule it back, no one will be punished. Win!

voxic11 10y ago

They have not. Only emails you hold yourself are protected under the Constitution. Emails held by third parties like Gmail are subject to the third party doctrine and therefore have no constitutional protections. They still have some statuary protections which this bill is actually expanding (mostly besides this part).

anf 10y ago
Is there a market for email server software with UX akin to Sandstorm, then (i.e. easy to install / self-maintaining), or would this apply to EC2 servers just as it does to email? If so, a simple physical mail server with a battery / cellular network connection for power or network outages seems like a good technical solution. The more reasonable solution is a legal one, of course: treat treat third party email the same way one treats a third party mailbox (PO box). Safety deposit boxes are a good comparison, as well: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/microsoft-tells-us-the-worlds-servers-are-not-yours-for-the-taking/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/microsoft-tells-u...
- reitanqild 10y ago
  I would guess/hope something like this is on the sandstorm roadmap but I don't know.
  - anf 10y ago
    https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/email/ https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/email/ Running a Sandstorm instance in your home with backup network / power is a separate story, however.
    - reitanqild 10y ago
      As long as it is for personal use I at least don't feel the need for redundant power or network. I also ran a sandstorm instance locally for a few months and it was boring in a good way.