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This is so strange. It's like the OS team is in another universe. The rest of the company is nailing it.

oceanswave 10y ago
Nailing their own coffin, I agree
sametmax 10y ago
You mean the phone team killing nokia, the legal team suying linux based companies or the Web team wanting to create a gigantic censorship database or the game team creating a console always online with an always on microphone, effectively creating the biggest spyware of all time ? But the PR team nails it, I agree, because despite everything microsoft does, people keep forgetting.
- m_fayer 10y ago
  I've been working with .NET, Xamarin, and Azure for a while. Those Microsoft products really are a pleasure, I have very little to complain about. Shame that it's only these 3 MS products that justify that statement.
  - Nullabillity 10y ago
    Xamarin is hardly a MS product, and they shut down RoboVM pretty much immediately after purchasing Xamarin.
  - nisa 10y ago
    If they start annoying the developers they are lost. So they don't do stupid things there. But it looks like they never cared or plain stopped caring for the end users.
    - goda90 10y ago
      What they want is to go to developers and say "Look, we have millions of users, cross platform(PC/Phone/XBOX), and great developer tools. All you need is to develop for Windows 10 and forget those other platforms". And they think they can just force 1 & 2 which may actually be true...
  - cm2187 10y ago
    I must say .net is a bit of an exception in this sad sight of microsoft's decay. Pretty much everything they have done in the past 3 years in the .net space makes sense and is nice to Microsoft's customers (open sourcing .net, finally delivering on platform-independence, visual studio community being pretty much a complete and fully functional IDE, buying and making xamarin free, etc). For the other divisions. Windows has become an absolute shit show. Every time I go on the Azure portal I get lost. My xbox one is blowing like a leaf blower. They stopped developing Office 15 years ago (ah no, they changed the color from blue to green) and my surface pro is reminding me of my Windows 98 BSOD days. Ha not, their mouses are still pretty decent.
  - invalidname 10y ago
    Personally I had a horrible experience with Azure. It seems they spent too much time on the UI and too little time on making it usable to understand billing. I was amazed billing could be worse from Amazon. I used their IaaS which was a pain to setup and constantly rebooted but maybe that's just because of Windows which is pretty problematic to begin with...
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- tunap 10y ago
  MCP=Microsoft Certified Peddler Marketing is what they are, and always have been, best at. They still overwhelmingly dominate despite the worst efforts of the last 2 CEOs. Reminds of the days when "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".
- codingmyway 10y ago
  I've never thought much or Microsoft's PR or marketing. Not to the public at least. There's no coherent brand unlike Apple and Google and they still can't shake the haters and this is just another reason to hate. To enterprise and devs the likes of Scott Hanselman do a brilliant job but they seem to be fighting against MS's bad tendencies.
PhantomGremlin 10y ago
It's like the OS team is in another universe I'm sure it's not the entire team, engineers usually aren't sociopathic assholes. No, this is undoubtedly marketing or management. Maybe even top management. Maybe Nadella?

Nailing their own coffin, I agree

You mean the phone team killing nokia, the legal team suying linux based companies or the Web team wanting to create a gigantic censorship database or the game team creating a console always online with an always on microphone, effectively creating the biggest spyware of all time ? But the PR team nails it, I agree, because despite everything microsoft does, people keep forgetting.

m_fayer 10y ago
I've been working with .NET, Xamarin, and Azure for a while. Those Microsoft products really are a pleasure, I have very little to complain about. Shame that it's only these 3 MS products that justify that statement.
- Nullabillity 10y ago
  Xamarin is hardly a MS product, and they shut down RoboVM pretty much immediately after purchasing Xamarin.
- nisa 10y ago
  If they start annoying the developers they are lost. So they don't do stupid things there. But it looks like they never cared or plain stopped caring for the end users.
  - goda90 10y ago
    What they want is to go to developers and say "Look, we have millions of users, cross platform(PC/Phone/XBOX), and great developer tools. All you need is to develop for Windows 10 and forget those other platforms". And they think they can just force 1 & 2 which may actually be true...
- cm2187 10y ago
  I must say .net is a bit of an exception in this sad sight of microsoft's decay. Pretty much everything they have done in the past 3 years in the .net space makes sense and is nice to Microsoft's customers (open sourcing .net, finally delivering on platform-independence, visual studio community being pretty much a complete and fully functional IDE, buying and making xamarin free, etc). For the other divisions. Windows has become an absolute shit show. Every time I go on the Azure portal I get lost. My xbox one is blowing like a leaf blower. They stopped developing Office 15 years ago (ah no, they changed the color from blue to green) and my surface pro is reminding me of my Windows 98 BSOD days. Ha not, their mouses are still pretty decent.
- invalidname 10y ago
  Personally I had a horrible experience with Azure. It seems they spent too much time on the UI and too little time on making it usable to understand billing. I was amazed billing could be worse from Amazon. I used their IaaS which was a pain to setup and constantly rebooted but maybe that's just because of Windows which is pretty problematic to begin with...
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tunap 10y ago
MCP=Microsoft Certified Peddler Marketing is what they are, and always have been, best at. They still overwhelmingly dominate despite the worst efforts of the last 2 CEOs. Reminds of the days when "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM".
codingmyway 10y ago
I've never thought much or Microsoft's PR or marketing. Not to the public at least. There's no coherent brand unlike Apple and Google and they still can't shake the haters and this is just another reason to hate. To enterprise and devs the likes of Scott Hanselman do a brilliant job but they seem to be fighting against MS's bad tendencies.

PhantomGremlin 10y ago

It's like the OS team is in another universe I'm sure it's not the entire team, engineers usually aren't sociopathic assholes. No, this is undoubtedly marketing or management. Maybe even top management. Maybe Nadella?