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That doesn't seem to be what they claim in [1] for a managed environment. We are still using 2008 R2 and Windows 7, but it is getting to the point where we nee

by vt240 10y ago

That doesn't seem to be what they claim in [1] for a managed environment. We are still using 2008 R2 and Windows 7, but it is getting to the point where we need to at least upgrade Windows Server. What a headache. [1] https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/introduction-to-windows-10-servicing https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows/manage/int...

tremon 10y ago
You mean because of the existence of the LTSB branch? Yes, that may be an option for some. However, LTSB still doesn't give the administrator control over feature updates: it just removes feature updates completely.
- vt240 10y ago
  No, I mean the continued existence of WSUS and Configuration Manager. Although I find it really unclear. It says under CBB servicing, "When devices are being managed through Windows Server Update Services, the same workflows are executed as with Windows Update except IT administrators must approve releases before installations begin." Are you saying that there is no selective feature control anymore, you have to accept the entire feature pack or not? That different from the past, but it is really hard to compare since Windows didn't really operate on the CU model before. What is the analog to a feature pack?
  - tremon 10y ago
    But the bullet point immediately following that says: Microsoft will not produce servicing updates for a feature upgrade after its corresponding CBB reaches the end of its servicing lifetime. This means that feature upgrade deployments cannot be extended indefinitely Microsoft will not keep releasing security updates for "old" feature versions: miss too many feature updates, and you also no longer get security updates. And with a declared feature cadence of roughly once per 4 months, it means when you defer a feature for more than 8 months, you will no longer receive security updates either. As for feature packs, I do not know if Microsoft will continue to maintain optional features for the desktop. The impression I got is that they are moving towards a unified desktop image across all deployments.
    - vt240 10y ago
      Interesting, thanks for the discussion on the subject. I just can't see moving away from Windows 7 embedded / Windows 7 enterprise in the near future. I envision all sorts of nightmare scenarios where we have to redeploy all the embedded hosts because of some update on the development machines. It wont necessarily be Microsoft's fault directly, but some vendor other vendor driver or such will have to be updated due to the new 'feature' pack. Hah.

by vt240 10y ago

tremon 10y ago

You mean because of the existence of the LTSB branch? Yes, that may be an option for some. However, LTSB still doesn't give the administrator control over feature updates: it just removes feature updates completely.

vt240 10y ago
No, I mean the continued existence of WSUS and Configuration Manager. Although I find it really unclear. It says under CBB servicing, "When devices are being managed through Windows Server Update Services, the same workflows are executed as with Windows Update except IT administrators must approve releases before installations begin." Are you saying that there is no selective feature control anymore, you have to accept the entire feature pack or not? That different from the past, but it is really hard to compare since Windows didn't really operate on the CU model before. What is the analog to a feature pack?
- tremon 10y ago
  But the bullet point immediately following that says: Microsoft will not produce servicing updates for a feature upgrade after its corresponding CBB reaches the end of its servicing lifetime. This means that feature upgrade deployments cannot be extended indefinitely Microsoft will not keep releasing security updates for "old" feature versions: miss too many feature updates, and you also no longer get security updates. And with a declared feature cadence of roughly once per 4 months, it means when you defer a feature for more than 8 months, you will no longer receive security updates either. As for feature packs, I do not know if Microsoft will continue to maintain optional features for the desktop. The impression I got is that they are moving towards a unified desktop image across all deployments.
  - vt240 10y ago
    Interesting, thanks for the discussion on the subject. I just can't see moving away from Windows 7 embedded / Windows 7 enterprise in the near future. I envision all sorts of nightmare scenarios where we have to redeploy all the embedded hosts because of some update on the development machines. It wont necessarily be Microsoft's fault directly, but some vendor other vendor driver or such will have to be updated due to the new 'feature' pack. Hah.