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Yeesh. Now you are just talking in circles. Including the word "theft" in every sentence does nothing to prove that taxes are theft. This is starting to sound l
by bobwaycott 10y ago
Yeesh. Now you are just talking in circles. Including the word "theft" in every sentence does nothing to prove that taxes are theft. This is starting to sound like the kind of pointless argument where a person keeps saying the same word over and over again, as if that actually has convincing or explanatory power. It doesn't.
I said nothing to suggest you or anyone else should submit to state violence. There is a serious difference between fidelity to the rule of law, the granting of a monopoly on lawful violence in the hands of a state to execute its laws, and submitting to the violence of a state. If you're going to label every action of the state in the pursuance of upholding and executing laws passed by the People's duly elected representatives as violence, we aren't likely to get anywhere.
If you only respect laws that do not infringe upon your rights, that's awfully selfish and childish. Do you want the state and its laws to infringe only upon others rights, then? If not, are you suggesting the state should only enact and execute laws which infringe on no one's rights? I ask because the whole basis of societies, and the entities through which humanity governs those societies, is that everyone, to lesser or greater degrees, has their freedom curtailed. Now, at least within liberal, democratic states, the alleged goal is to define and protect rights as inviolable, whereas liberties and freedoms may be reasonably limited and/or infringed upon where necessary to carve out and protect the greatest possible liberty/freedom for all.
If you think it's possible to have laws that do not infringe upon anyone's liberty/freedom, I'm really curious what kind of laws you envision could fall in this category. If you think taxes violate your defined and protected rights, I'm curious which rights enumerated in the Constitution are violated by taxes.
Obviously, we don't want governments trampling the rights of its citizens. However, there is no legally defined or protected right to pay zero taxes in any liberal, democratic state I know of since they began forming centuries ago.