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New Guitar Game with Real Six String Controller

18 points by moollaza 17y ago

moollaza 17y ago
Anyone think this will be a real game-changer? At least now my friends can't complain that the game is easy because there's no actual strings/chords to play.
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stcredzero 17y ago
I think there's an age cut-off where people go from thinking this is cool to being embarrassed to own one. http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/guitar-hero-comic.jpg http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/...
- scott_s 17y ago
  No, but there's a middle phase where you're self-conscious about having fun for the sake of fun.
  - stcredzero 17y ago
    Being able to just have fun actually playing an instrument has truly been a blast for me the past 20 years.
    - scott_s 17y ago
      I bet it is - more than just fun, I imagine, but enriching. Not everyone chooses to enrich themselves in that way. I have chosen others. But it's still fun to play Guitar Hero or Rock Band with a bunch of friends, despite having no musical talent or practice.
      - stcredzero 17y ago
        If tunes get stuck in your head, you have musical talent. If you can play a rhythm game like Guitar Hero, you can probably play music too. It used to be that most every household had someone very good at music. In the same way that there was a lot more awesome home cooking.
        scott_s 17y ago
        I don't disagree, but I also don't see why that should make me self-conscious for having fun playing those games.
        stcredzero 17y ago
        I don't have to make you anything. I have a right to my opinion and to express it politely. Please quote any impoliteness on my part. I'd also suggest this gedankenexperiment: imagine buying a game controller, owning it for three years, and getting good at the game. Then imagine buying a guitar, owning it for three years, and getting good at it. How does this suggestion make you feel? Do those feelings come from my words, or from somewhere in yourself? Please don't blame me. I'm not making you be anything.
        scott_s 17y ago
        We have a strange semantics mis-understanding. I don't feel self-conscious playing those games. Nor do I think I or anyone else should. Your comment makes it sound like we should. I tried to explain why I think that is mistaken. Your comment about impoliteness is baffling, since I never said anything about your tone.
        stcredzero 17y ago
        You're seriously putting words in my mouth. Why do you think I want to coerce emotions in others? Wouldn't an entirely pragmatic interpretation fit just as well? To paraphrase William Gibson: "My songs are of time and distance. The emotion is in you." More directly: am I trying to coerce you into feelings, or talking abstractly about people's feelings now and in the future?
colings86 17y ago
If you want a game that realistic why not actually play a six string guitar?
- imp 17y ago
  Because if you're a beginning guitarist you don't get any feedback. The game could be more useful for learning guitar than anything else.
  - colings86 17y ago
    What kind of feedback do you need? It just seems to me that console games producers are under the impression that console games are the answer to everything when in fact its much more impressive when someone can actually do something like play a real guitar or cook a real meal then if they do it on an XBox or a DS especially when they charge so much for things like guitar hero. It would be better if they provided an interface for you to plug an electric guitar into your console and learn to play using the software, then when you've learn you can 1. play a real guitar and 2. have a real guitar without the non standard socket they will inevitablely put on it.
    - imp 17y ago
      Initially it would be "you didn't hit that string cleanly, try again" which would move to "you played that progression well, nice job!" Then it could move to "You nailed 80% of those chords and your timing was AVERAGE." I'm assuming that the game guitar is very close to an actual guitar. I agree that it would be ideal if you could use a normal guitar and get the same feedback.
  - msluyter 17y ago
    Indeed (though technically you do of course get aural feedback, though if you're a beginning musician you might not be able to interpret it.) I'm not sure what the interface will look like, but imagine the possibilities of displaying tablature along with musical notation along with what notes you're actually hitting, perhaps even with a photo of the desired hand position for a chord, all simultaneously (or easily accessible). Then, add training modes, (like guitar hero but with a full metronome range), technique exercises for scales/arpeggios, etc... and you have a powerful training system.
dmn001 17y ago
Those old casio MIDI guitars could very easily be added into a game.
halo 17y ago
I've thought for a while that the concept of teaching instruments through games is a great idea, and hope this lives up to my expectations. If this piques your interest, you might want to look at the independent PC title Synthesia (http://www.synthesiagame.com/ http://www.synthesiagame.com/) which is based around a similar idea for piano; despite not particularly polished it has the core concepts down and is improving all the time. I hope that one day someone sees the potential in his and throws money at the developer to give it the time and resources it deserves to turn it into a large-scale commercial project. I have great hopes for these sorts of products, and think teaching instruments via games is simply the low-hanging fruit of a bigger idea. I think using technology to improve learning is a woefully unexplored area, and that learning is a sector that is ripe for some serious disruption. I don't think textbooks or lectures are an good or efficient way to learn, but we're still using those same methods that have existed since time immemorial without strong emperical evidence simply because it's the status quo. Meanwhile, technology and our knowledge of neuroscience and psychology have improved beyond all recognition, yet they are massively underutilised in terms of helping people learn. I can't help but feel that one day all these dots are going to be connected and it's going to dramatically change how we learn and educate for the better.
- nazgulnarsil 17y ago
  I really want to pick up a midi keyboard for this game. I dabble at piano and can read music but this seems like the fun factor would encourage me to practice.
jmackinn 17y ago
This reminded me of the same game concept that was supposedly under development a few years ago when Guitar Hero and Rockband came out. The game was to be called Guitar Rising and was going to allow for the ability to use any electric guitar. Now the game is beginning to seem like vapourware but you should check out the demo video. http://www.guitarrising.com/ http://www.guitarrising.com/
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dstik 17y ago
That reminds me of Disney's Star Guitarist (http://gizmodo.com/5128332/disney-star-guitarist-guitar-hero-but-with-real-guitars http://gizmodo.com/5128332/disney-star-guitarist-guitar-hero...), a game using a real guitar, not sure if it ever came out though..

18 points by moollaza 17y ago

Anyone think this will be a real game-changer? At least now my friends can't complain that the game is easy because there's no actual strings/chords to play.

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stcredzero 17y ago

I think there's an age cut-off where people go from thinking this is cool to being embarrassed to own one. http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/guitar-hero-comic.jpg http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/...

scott_s 17y ago
No, but there's a middle phase where you're self-conscious about having fun for the sake of fun.
- stcredzero 17y ago
  Being able to just have fun actually playing an instrument has truly been a blast for me the past 20 years.
  - scott_s 17y ago
    I bet it is - more than just fun, I imagine, but enriching. Not everyone chooses to enrich themselves in that way. I have chosen others. But it's still fun to play Guitar Hero or Rock Band with a bunch of friends, despite having no musical talent or practice.
    - stcredzero 17y ago
      If tunes get stuck in your head, you have musical talent. If you can play a rhythm game like Guitar Hero, you can probably play music too. It used to be that most every household had someone very good at music. In the same way that there was a lot more awesome home cooking.
      - scott_s 17y ago
        I don't disagree, but I also don't see why that should make me self-conscious for having fun playing those games.
        stcredzero 17y ago
        I don't have to make you anything. I have a right to my opinion and to express it politely. Please quote any impoliteness on my part. I'd also suggest this gedankenexperiment: imagine buying a game controller, owning it for three years, and getting good at the game. Then imagine buying a guitar, owning it for three years, and getting good at it. How does this suggestion make you feel? Do those feelings come from my words, or from somewhere in yourself? Please don't blame me. I'm not making you be anything.
        scott_s 17y ago
        We have a strange semantics mis-understanding. I don't feel self-conscious playing those games. Nor do I think I or anyone else should. Your comment makes it sound like we should. I tried to explain why I think that is mistaken. Your comment about impoliteness is baffling, since I never said anything about your tone.
        stcredzero 17y ago
        You're seriously putting words in my mouth. Why do you think I want to coerce emotions in others? Wouldn't an entirely pragmatic interpretation fit just as well? To paraphrase William Gibson: "My songs are of time and distance. The emotion is in you." More directly: am I trying to coerce you into feelings, or talking abstractly about people's feelings now and in the future?

colings86 17y ago

If you want a game that realistic why not actually play a six string guitar?

imp 17y ago
Because if you're a beginning guitarist you don't get any feedback. The game could be more useful for learning guitar than anything else.
- colings86 17y ago
  What kind of feedback do you need? It just seems to me that console games producers are under the impression that console games are the answer to everything when in fact its much more impressive when someone can actually do something like play a real guitar or cook a real meal then if they do it on an XBox or a DS especially when they charge so much for things like guitar hero. It would be better if they provided an interface for you to plug an electric guitar into your console and learn to play using the software, then when you've learn you can 1. play a real guitar and 2. have a real guitar without the non standard socket they will inevitablely put on it.
  - imp 17y ago
    Initially it would be "you didn't hit that string cleanly, try again" which would move to "you played that progression well, nice job!" Then it could move to "You nailed 80% of those chords and your timing was AVERAGE." I'm assuming that the game guitar is very close to an actual guitar. I agree that it would be ideal if you could use a normal guitar and get the same feedback.
- msluyter 17y ago
  Indeed (though technically you do of course get aural feedback, though if you're a beginning musician you might not be able to interpret it.) I'm not sure what the interface will look like, but imagine the possibilities of displaying tablature along with musical notation along with what notes you're actually hitting, perhaps even with a photo of the desired hand position for a chord, all simultaneously (or easily accessible). Then, add training modes, (like guitar hero but with a full metronome range), technique exercises for scales/arpeggios, etc... and you have a powerful training system.

dmn001 17y ago

Those old casio MIDI guitars could very easily be added into a game.

halo 17y ago

I've thought for a while that the concept of teaching instruments through games is a great idea, and hope this lives up to my expectations. If this piques your interest, you might want to look at the independent PC title Synthesia (http://www.synthesiagame.com/ http://www.synthesiagame.com/) which is based around a similar idea for piano; despite not particularly polished it has the core concepts down and is improving all the time. I hope that one day someone sees the potential in his and throws money at the developer to give it the time and resources it deserves to turn it into a large-scale commercial project. I have great hopes for these sorts of products, and think teaching instruments via games is simply the low-hanging fruit of a bigger idea. I think using technology to improve learning is a woefully unexplored area, and that learning is a sector that is ripe for some serious disruption. I don't think textbooks or lectures are an good or efficient way to learn, but we're still using those same methods that have existed since time immemorial without strong emperical evidence simply because it's the status quo. Meanwhile, technology and our knowledge of neuroscience and psychology have improved beyond all recognition, yet they are massively underutilised in terms of helping people learn. I can't help but feel that one day all these dots are going to be connected and it's going to dramatically change how we learn and educate for the better.

nazgulnarsil 17y ago
I really want to pick up a midi keyboard for this game. I dabble at piano and can read music but this seems like the fun factor would encourage me to practice.

jmackinn 17y ago

This reminded me of the same game concept that was supposedly under development a few years ago when Guitar Hero and Rockband came out. The game was to be called Guitar Rising and was going to allow for the ability to use any electric guitar. Now the game is beginning to seem like vapourware but you should check out the demo video. http://www.guitarrising.com/ http://www.guitarrising.com/

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dstik 17y ago

That reminds me of Disney's Star Guitarist (http://gizmodo.com/5128332/disney-star-guitarist-guitar-hero-but-with-real-guitars http://gizmodo.com/5128332/disney-star-guitarist-guitar-hero...), a game using a real guitar, not sure if it ever came out though..