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Market sizes isn't the same as societal benefit. Just like how a modern society built around horses and carts with all the overhead and work that would require

Market sizes isn't the same as societal benefit. Just like how a modern society built around horses and carts with all the overhead and work that would require wouldn't be an improvement. It seems to me that it is very very rare that it is the copyright enforcement and/or necessity (will) to stay within legal limits that itself is the reason any given copyrighted offer stays profitable. People pays because they want to pay for quality, in general.

Silhouette 10y ago
Market sizes isn't the same as societal benefit. I'm arguing that copyright-supported creative effort overall produces and distributes significantly more and significantly better works than creative effort supported in other ways. If that doesn't imply societal benefit to you, what does?
- Natanael_L 10y ago
  What's the argument based on? Compared to for example software projects under permissive licenses, Creative Commons, etc, can you show that copyright does more than to simply help somebody popularize (through marketing) things that likely already would have existed?
  - Silhouette 10y ago
    How many AAA games have been created with permissive licences? What permissively licensed software is available to design ships or office buildings or integrated circuits? When Adobe created a gap in the market by making Creative Cloud subscription-only, it took just a few years for several quite slick and professionally well-regarded alternative products to appear, with feature sets catering to former users of Creative Suite products in specific areas. Those new products are all commercial and funded by copyright-protected sales. How long have FOSS products like the GIMP or Inkscape been trying to do the same thing, without ever succeeding?
    - Natanael_L 10y ago
      What kernels can compete with Linux in servers and embedded? How many how many network protocols are entirely proprietary? And what about Android, Blender?

Silhouette 10y ago

Market sizes isn't the same as societal benefit. I'm arguing that copyright-supported creative effort overall produces and distributes significantly more and significantly better works than creative effort supported in other ways. If that doesn't imply societal benefit to you, what does?

Natanael_L 10y ago
What's the argument based on? Compared to for example software projects under permissive licenses, Creative Commons, etc, can you show that copyright does more than to simply help somebody popularize (through marketing) things that likely already would have existed?
- Silhouette 10y ago
  How many AAA games have been created with permissive licences? What permissively licensed software is available to design ships or office buildings or integrated circuits? When Adobe created a gap in the market by making Creative Cloud subscription-only, it took just a few years for several quite slick and professionally well-regarded alternative products to appear, with feature sets catering to former users of Creative Suite products in specific areas. Those new products are all commercial and funded by copyright-protected sales. How long have FOSS products like the GIMP or Inkscape been trying to do the same thing, without ever succeeding?
  - Natanael_L 10y ago
    What kernels can compete with Linux in servers and embedded? How many how many network protocols are entirely proprietary? And what about Android, Blender?