> Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at le

> Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at least didn't at the UofC At my grad department, 90 out of the 100 kids were Asian, and only 5 or so were PhD for that class year. The rest were MS and paying tuition. > If you can fake your way through a Ph.D. physics program at a reputable university, you deserve the diploma. Agreed :-D > I'm having a hard time reading your comment as anything other than a statement that you wish there were less Chinese students at your school just because you don't want them there. Did I completely miss your point here? Definitely !!! I graduated from my MS program 8 years ago. I live in Taiwan now and I love the Chinese culture and people. I don't like things that make it look bad. I admire Taiwan for its warless entrance into democracy and interesting history with China [1]. The bad parts of this story are ideas, not people. Ideas and people are separate. Hate the game, not the player. The idea that cheating is okay is one that can be criticized without attacking people for holding that idea. People face consequences for their actions. That does not make them bad people. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_flashpoint/html/history.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_fla...