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I got my phone (probably one of the last) in February. I can't agree with any of your points - not a single one! This Jolla phone is superb: fast (including web

I got my phone (probably one of the last) in February. I can't agree with any of your points - not a single one! This Jolla phone is superb: fast (including web browsing), reliable, easy to use, with support for all the Android apps I'm interested in. My only complaint is that the software (Sailfish OS) is let down by the hardware. I wish Jolla had been brave enough to gamble with the Mirasol display; too late now, since Apple's acquired the tech (and will probably do awesome things with it). With my bluetooth keyboard, I'm happy playing with emacs (Slime and SBCL), and hopefully soon Erlang - all through a native terminal. For lightning fast web browsing, I use Links2. I certainly can't do any of this on an Apple device, and Android - is it possible? I'll never know - I'm spoilt with my Jolla.

ewzimm 10y ago
I'm curious about what's compelling about having a native terminal. When I first started with Android, I really enjoyed using the terminal, creating chroots, installing and configuring things. I learned a lot. But now that I have several cheap servers on DigitalOcean, I have almost no interest in native terminal. The interface is the same, everything works properly with no quirks, I can scale up the power as much as I want, and I can access it from a desktop to pick up where I left off. The only use case I can think of would be wanting to access a terminal on the phone when I don't have a network connection, but so far that has never come up. I'm not saying it isn't nice to have a native terminal, just that renting a VPS to me is so much better to mein every way. I can definitely see the case for people on a very tight budget or with poor connectivity, but is there any other reason? Not trying to contradict you, just really can't think of a reason why I'd want to go back.
- fractallyte 10y ago
  A smartphone is a pocket computer with a suite of communications and networking tools. Imagine being able to use something like Rebol - which makes it easy to send emails with simple commands - but updated for GSM/SMS/etc. There are immense possibilities for useful software, all starting with a terminal, but which can be built into full graphical applications. A hacker's delight! (BTW, this post is being written on a Jolla phone)
sametmax 10y ago
I just mesured. Between the moment you click the native browser (not even Firefox, which I use), and the moment you can start write a tweet, there is a gap of 23 seconds. 23 seconds to display a web page on a fresh system with no other app running. This is insane. It is made much worse by the fact you can't open many apps at the same time. The OS frequently keels app you don't use, so you have to regularly wait another 23 second all other again if you multitask.
- fractallyte 10y ago
  I counted less than 10 seconds to Twitter on my phone. That's with one other app running. I can open many apps simultaneously, although I rarely go past 6 or 7. So clearly there are differences between phone models (if indeed my phone has some minor upgrades over previous ones), and/or OS versions.
  - bruce_one 10y ago
    I don't _think_ the hardware's changed? My thought would be to try a btrfs balance (can be done through one of the menus); or trying to free some space from the internal storage. It made a large difference in how the performance felt on mine last time I did so. (A bit sad that it's often required, the fs is one of the main pain points ime.) (For reference, mine took ~15 seconds, but think that about 5 of that was network related -- because the browser was open and responsive at the 10 second mark. Had 4 other apps open at the time.)

ewzimm 10y ago

I'm curious about what's compelling about having a native terminal. When I first started with Android, I really enjoyed using the terminal, creating chroots, installing and configuring things. I learned a lot. But now that I have several cheap servers on DigitalOcean, I have almost no interest in native terminal. The interface is the same, everything works properly with no quirks, I can scale up the power as much as I want, and I can access it from a desktop to pick up where I left off. The only use case I can think of would be wanting to access a terminal on the phone when I don't have a network connection, but so far that has never come up. I'm not saying it isn't nice to have a native terminal, just that renting a VPS to me is so much better to mein every way. I can definitely see the case for people on a very tight budget or with poor connectivity, but is there any other reason? Not trying to contradict you, just really can't think of a reason why I'd want to go back.

fractallyte 10y ago
A smartphone is a pocket computer with a suite of communications and networking tools. Imagine being able to use something like Rebol - which makes it easy to send emails with simple commands - but updated for GSM/SMS/etc. There are immense possibilities for useful software, all starting with a terminal, but which can be built into full graphical applications. A hacker's delight! (BTW, this post is being written on a Jolla phone)

sametmax 10y ago

I just mesured. Between the moment you click the native browser (not even Firefox, which I use), and the moment you can start write a tweet, there is a gap of 23 seconds. 23 seconds to display a web page on a fresh system with no other app running. This is insane. It is made much worse by the fact you can't open many apps at the same time. The OS frequently keels app you don't use, so you have to regularly wait another 23 second all other again if you multitask.

fractallyte 10y ago
I counted less than 10 seconds to Twitter on my phone. That's with one other app running. I can open many apps simultaneously, although I rarely go past 6 or 7. So clearly there are differences between phone models (if indeed my phone has some minor upgrades over previous ones), and/or OS versions.
- bruce_one 10y ago
  I don't _think_ the hardware's changed? My thought would be to try a btrfs balance (can be done through one of the menus); or trying to free some space from the internal storage. It made a large difference in how the performance felt on mine last time I did so. (A bit sad that it's often required, the fs is one of the main pain points ime.) (For reference, mine took ~15 seconds, but think that about 5 of that was network related -- because the browser was open and responsive at the 10 second mark. Had 4 other apps open at the time.)