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Because the percentage of black GitHubbers in management positions is far below e.g. the percentage of e.g. black people with CS degrees in the US, indicating a
by cjbprime 10y ago
Because the percentage of black GitHubbers in management positions is far below e.g. the percentage of e.g. black people with CS degrees in the US, indicating a probable bias in their hiring, retention or promotion pipelines that they're announcing they find concerning.
You're making it about individuals, not GitHub. They're comparing statistics.
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- atom-morgan 10y agoWe can determine bias simply by comparing one company's numbers to national trends?
- cjbprime 10y agoI said probable bias, and yes.
- atom-morgan 10y agoAs you reduce geographical scope, national trends aren't as relevant or realistic.
- Pyxl101 10y ago> Because the percentage of black GitHubbers in management positions is far below e.g. the percentage of e.g. black people with CS degrees in the US Where's the data for this? Often people talk about these things as assumptions, but I've never seen credible data. Can you share a source? Furthermore, even the comparison that you mentioned is not accurate. It should start from a funnel like: "the number of qualified black applicants to GitHub with CS degrees", or something along those lines. GitHub can't hire people that don't apply.
- ascendingPig 10y agoStarting from only the people who apply gives a free pass to biased recruitment.
- GunboatDiplomat 10y agoWhat, you want them to go kidnap black people and force them to apply?
- jacalata 10y agoSo you don't think it's a problem if their ads say "whites only"? Or if they only advertise to white people? Or are you thinking "nobody would say whites only" and just totally unaware of the many ways that language and targeting can affect who applies to a job, sometimes skewing the pool of applicants in unintended ways? A nice, nobody-meant-it way to bias your candidate pool: only hire people who know an existing employee. White Americans mostly know white Americans.
- cjbprime 10y agoYou're asking for a citation for zero being less than non-zero? :)
- yummyfajitas 10y agoHe's asking for a citation that the probability of seeing zero is small (p<0.05 if you want to be frequentist about it), contingent on a proper funnel analysis and no bias.
- prodigal_erik 10y agoWas that percentage equally high in 1990? Fresh grads are not qualified for management.