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It's still a great track record, but I can't shake my misgivings about automotive autopilot beta testing being an open-road thing. This seems like begging for t

It's still a great track record, but I can't shake my misgivings about automotive autopilot beta testing being an open-road thing. This seems like begging for trouble, with the biggest issue being the occasional ambiguity about a momentary brake-tap turning a system off.

underyx 10y ago
But even with occasional issues like this one, it's already half as likely to cause accidents than a person[0]. At this point it'd actually be a worse for us to not test this on open road. [0]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/04/25/elon-musk-teslas-autopilot-makes-accidents-50pc-less-likely/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/04/25/elon-musk-t...
- rgbrenner 10y ago
  Lying with statistics. Compares cruise control with human drivers. But think about that for a second... Highways have an accident rate about 1/3rd of urban roads. Where is cruise control mostly used? Highways. How can you compare human drivers on urban roads AND highways with a system that is nearly always used only on highways. If you compare Tesla's stat with humans on highways only.. Tesla is actually less safe. That stat is complete bullshit.
holyoly 10y ago
Adaptive cruise control is not autopilot. It does not steer for you. It's not in beta, it's been a production feature on high end cars for 10 or so years. Regular cruise control has always deactivated with a momentary brake tap. Been this way since cruise control started coming on cars.
- falcolas 10y ago
  Based on my experience, when adaptive cruise control is braking, manually braking has unexpected consequences. A tap can disable the current braking completely, resulting in an unexpected change in velocity. Frequently a bad idea, since the ACC is braking for a reason. Applying normal braking pressure can add your braking pressure to the existing braking pressure, resulting in an abnormally large braking force, sometimes enough to initiate ABS on dry roads. Very disorientating, and it makes you unpredictable to drivers behind you. The solution is to tap, then press a second later, but this requires you to be aware of the need to take manual control early in the situation.
- Aelinsaar 10y ago
  Adaptive cruise control is also not 'Regular cruise control'.

underyx 10y ago

But even with occasional issues like this one, it's already half as likely to cause accidents than a person[0]. At this point it'd actually be a worse for us to not test this on open road. [0]: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/04/25/elon-musk-teslas-autopilot-makes-accidents-50pc-less-likely/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/04/25/elon-musk-t...

rgbrenner 10y ago
Lying with statistics. Compares cruise control with human drivers. But think about that for a second... Highways have an accident rate about 1/3rd of urban roads. Where is cruise control mostly used? Highways. How can you compare human drivers on urban roads AND highways with a system that is nearly always used only on highways. If you compare Tesla's stat with humans on highways only.. Tesla is actually less safe. That stat is complete bullshit.

holyoly 10y ago

Adaptive cruise control is not autopilot. It does not steer for you. It's not in beta, it's been a production feature on high end cars for 10 or so years. Regular cruise control has always deactivated with a momentary brake tap. Been this way since cruise control started coming on cars.

falcolas 10y ago
Based on my experience, when adaptive cruise control is braking, manually braking has unexpected consequences. A tap can disable the current braking completely, resulting in an unexpected change in velocity. Frequently a bad idea, since the ACC is braking for a reason. Applying normal braking pressure can add your braking pressure to the existing braking pressure, resulting in an abnormally large braking force, sometimes enough to initiate ABS on dry roads. Very disorientating, and it makes you unpredictable to drivers behind you. The solution is to tap, then press a second later, but this requires you to be aware of the need to take manual control early in the situation.
Aelinsaar 10y ago
Adaptive cruise control is also not 'Regular cruise control'.