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I would agree that family structure plays a huge part. Kids are expensive and take a lot of energy. As much as we as a society celebrate single moms, it's a tou

by kdamken 10y ago

I would agree that family structure plays a huge part. Kids are expensive and take a lot of energy. As much as we as a society celebrate single moms, it's a tough gig to work full time and raise your kids alone. I don't think anyone would say it's the ideal family situation. One reason the marriage rate may be is dropping is that it's become fairly disincentivized for men. A lot of younger men (25-35) I know voice concerns like the ones listed in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXQf2f2Yxo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXQf2f2Yxo Perhaps if they were to make marriage and custody laws more fair it would help the rates increase.

josinalvo 10y ago
The video cites 'a growing number of men' opting out of marriage (and work, and school). I'd like to see the source to this 'growing number'. Do you happen to know?
- morgante 10y ago
  The marriage rate is overall declining substantially. [0] It's hard to suss out the exact reasons for why, but one imagines that it's not only women choosing to opt out of marriage (especially since they stand to gain from marriage while structurally men are set up to lose). [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-y...
randomdata 10y ago
> One reason the marriage rate may be is dropping is that it's become fairly disincentivized for men. The business relationship is rather pointless, for both sexes, these days. Marriage once existed so that, traditionally, the woman would stay at home to care for the household and children allowing the man to focus on his career. The idea being that the man would do better with help than he could all on his own, thus the woman sharing in the proceeds she helped create. This is why divorce defaults to splitting assets 50/50. Now that men and women are much more apt to work independently – each working both in and out of the home – there is little need to solidify a legal partnership to protect the partner not collecting the income.
- arcanus 10y ago
  I largely agree. > Now that men and women are much more apt to work independently – each working both in and out of the home – there is little need to solidify a legal partnership to protect the partner not collecting the income. This is often why (anecdotally speaking) I've seen many engagements occur when someone has an opportunity (job,grad school, etc.) outside of the present city they live in. One half of the couple is taking a professional risk (or even, outright sacrifice) by moving to stay with that person.
Vraxx 10y ago
The first two reasons alone were conflating correlation and causation, without even citing the statistics that they are claiming as causal. To top it all off, most of them are just stereotypes, so I'm even more suspect of the underlying justification that the video creator is using. I don't think the point that is being made is all wrong, but I don't agree with the evidence being used to support it.

by kdamken 10y ago

josinalvo 10y ago

The video cites 'a growing number of men' opting out of marriage (and work, and school). I'd like to see the source to this 'growing number'. Do you happen to know?

morgante 10y ago
The marriage rate is overall declining substantially. [0] It's hard to suss out the exact reasons for why, but one imagines that it's not only women choosing to opt out of marriage (especially since they stand to gain from marriage while structurally men are set up to lose). [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-years-of-marriage-and-divorce-in-the-united-states-in-one-chart/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/144-y...

randomdata 10y ago

> One reason the marriage rate may be is dropping is that it's become fairly disincentivized for men. The business relationship is rather pointless, for both sexes, these days. Marriage once existed so that, traditionally, the woman would stay at home to care for the household and children allowing the man to focus on his career. The idea being that the man would do better with help than he could all on his own, thus the woman sharing in the proceeds she helped create. This is why divorce defaults to splitting assets 50/50. Now that men and women are much more apt to work independently – each working both in and out of the home – there is little need to solidify a legal partnership to protect the partner not collecting the income.

arcanus 10y ago
I largely agree. > Now that men and women are much more apt to work independently – each working both in and out of the home – there is little need to solidify a legal partnership to protect the partner not collecting the income. This is often why (anecdotally speaking) I've seen many engagements occur when someone has an opportunity (job,grad school, etc.) outside of the present city they live in. One half of the couple is taking a professional risk (or even, outright sacrifice) by moving to stay with that person.

Vraxx 10y ago

The first two reasons alone were conflating correlation and causation, without even citing the statistics that they are claiming as causal. To top it all off, most of them are just stereotypes, so I'm even more suspect of the underlying justification that the video creator is using. I don't think the point that is being made is all wrong, but I don't agree with the evidence being used to support it.