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> I saw that multiple times here on HN now that people misuse the term. It's a pity, the original idea is something to be aware of, and diluting what dark patte
by baldfat 10y ago
> I saw that multiple times here on HN now that people misuse the term. It's a pity, the original idea is something to be aware of, and diluting what dark pattern means hinders that awareness.
Sorry long post TL/DR Fighting people on word definitions is frustrating and words change meaning when one aspect gets popular.
I have fought this war over and over again over the following words:
Troll - Everything is a troll now. It use to be just someone that tried to ruin other people's fun. Now if anything that makes anyone laugh is a troll.
Hacker - This site is case in point. Hacker was a person who would make inventions with pieces that didn't normally get take apart and put back together into something different then its original intent. Then it became criminals. Now it's start up coverage websites were if you use terms of Hackers of long gone days (i.e. M$) you get down voted for being unprofessional. :)
Humanism - Means Atheist? Humanism was founded by the leaders of the Renaissance and the Reformation Movement Leaders would self-identify as Humanist. I went on a 5 day Reddit AMA with the President of the American Humanist Society (Secular Humanist) saying they can't hijack the word and change its meaning.
Humanism and related terms are frequently applied to modern doctrines and techniques that are based on the centrality of human experience. In the 20th century, the pragmatic humanism of Ferdinand C.S. Schiller, the Christian humanism of Jacques Maritain, and the movement known as secular humanism, though differing from each other significantly in content, all show this anthropocentric emphasis. http://humanism.ws/featured/a-history-of-humanism-robert-grudin/ http://humanism.ws/featured/a-history-of-humanism-robert-gru...
- pyrophane 10y agoHacker still gets me. The dilution of the term to simply mean "programmer" or perhaps more specifically "startup programmer in his 20s who crushes it" causes a little pain in my side every time.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI have two[0] separate buckets in my head under the same key "hacker" - one for actual hackers, per old meaning, and the other for "just a programmer" & "a random startup person". Sometimes this confusion actually gets beneficial for the old-word-meaning crowd - you can get +10 to marketing of your hackerspace on startup events based solely on the tern "hacker" meaning something else than the crowd there think it means :). [0] - actually three, if you count "hacker as a criminal" thing
- kelukelugames 10y agoI want to make a blog series about these words. Mansplaining? Used to mean condescending entitled douchebag. Now it's anytime a man says something I don't like. Feminism? Putting an end to sexism. Or anytime a woman say something I don't like.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoSome material on the subject: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-words-words-words/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/social-justice-and-word...
- kelukelugames 10y agoThat's a lot of salt. I can't take seriously people who take tumblr seriously. Maybe I'm lucky.
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- Doctor_Fegg 10y agoTrolling, in its original Usenet definition, was still more subtle than that: it was making a provocative posting solely to stir up responses. The troll probably didn't agree with the sentiment they were posting, they were just doing it to cause trouble. "The old definition of a Troll is one who posts to generate the maximum number of follow ups. These are a very minor irritation, and can be considered to be advantageous to newsgroups." http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm
- baldfat 10y agoYou are 100% right! I am guilty of the same thing even though I lived in those days.
- dang 10y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11776314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11776314 and marked it off-topic.
- baldfat 10y agoWell maybe this is the wrong place for actual communication and talking. I really see "Hacker" News as less hacker and more Start Ups trying to look professional.