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> The brand and reputation of the universities are what allows them to charge so much for tuition and get prestigious faculty (i.e. grant money). The effects o

> The brand and reputation of the universities are what allows them to charge so much for tuition and get prestigious faculty (i.e. grant money). The effects of this issue are not widely understood by the general public. The general public think this kind of thing doesn't hurt the quality of education in the US. We know better. Only we know because we all attended schools for science which are inundated with Chinese students, particularly at the graduate level. The schools' reputations will not be hurt until someone sues them. I'm convinced someone in this thread could bring a case against their school and do a lot of good for the US educational system. http://thefire.org/ http://thefire.org/

davidmr 10y ago
I'm not even sure where to start with this. I went to a fancypants-ish school in the University of Chicago which does not have a Harvard or Yale-sized endowment so they likely did care about tuition. We did indeed have a lot of Chinese undergrads and grad students. They were every bit as smart as anyone else there, so I doubt they were there because of their tuition money alone, but on their academic merits. Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at least didn't at the UofC. If you can fake your way through a Ph.D. physics program at a reputable university, you deserve the diploma. I'm having a hard time reading your comment as anything other than a statement that you wish there were less Chinese students at your school just because you don't want them there. Did I completely miss your point here?
- studentrob 10y ago
  > Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at least didn't at the UofC At my grad department, 90 out of the 100 kids were Asian, and only 5 or so were PhD for that class year. The rest were MS and paying tuition. > If you can fake your way through a Ph.D. physics program at a reputable university, you deserve the diploma. Agreed :-D > I'm having a hard time reading your comment as anything other than a statement that you wish there were less Chinese students at your school just because you don't want them there. Did I completely miss your point here? Definitely !!! I graduated from my MS program 8 years ago. I live in Taiwan now and I love the Chinese culture and people. I don't like things that make it look bad. I admire Taiwan for its warless entrance into democracy and interesting history with China [1]. The bad parts of this story are ideas, not people. Ideas and people are separate. Hate the game, not the player. The idea that cheating is okay is one that can be criticized without attacking people for holding that idea. People face consequences for their actions. That does not make them bad people. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_flashpoint/html/history.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_fla...
  - davidmr 10y ago
    Gotcha. Sorry to have kept to conclusion; thanks for the clarification.

davidmr 10y ago

I'm not even sure where to start with this. I went to a fancypants-ish school in the University of Chicago which does not have a Harvard or Yale-sized endowment so they likely did care about tuition. We did indeed have a lot of Chinese undergrads and grad students. They were every bit as smart as anyone else there, so I doubt they were there because of their tuition money alone, but on their academic merits. Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at least didn't at the UofC. If you can fake your way through a Ph.D. physics program at a reputable university, you deserve the diploma. I'm having a hard time reading your comment as anything other than a statement that you wish there were less Chinese students at your school just because you don't want them there. Did I completely miss your point here?

studentrob 10y ago
> Also, your extension of the argument about STEM grad students doesn't make much sense because STEM grad students almost never have to pay for school, or at least didn't at the UofC At my grad department, 90 out of the 100 kids were Asian, and only 5 or so were PhD for that class year. The rest were MS and paying tuition. > If you can fake your way through a Ph.D. physics program at a reputable university, you deserve the diploma. Agreed :-D > I'm having a hard time reading your comment as anything other than a statement that you wish there were less Chinese students at your school just because you don't want them there. Did I completely miss your point here? Definitely !!! I graduated from my MS program 8 years ago. I live in Taiwan now and I love the Chinese culture and people. I don't like things that make it look bad. I admire Taiwan for its warless entrance into democracy and interesting history with China [1]. The bad parts of this story are ideas, not people. Ideas and people are separate. Hate the game, not the player. The idea that cheating is okay is one that can be criticized without attacking people for holding that idea. People face consequences for their actions. That does not make them bad people. [1] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_flashpoint/html/history.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/asia_pac/04/taiwan_fla...
- davidmr 10y ago
  Gotcha. Sorry to have kept to conclusion; thanks for the clarification.