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Australia is also a popular destination for Chinese students and sees high rates of cheating for many of the same reasons as those given in the article. Poor la

by kirrent 10y ago

Australia is also a popular destination for Chinese students and sees high rates of cheating for many of the same reasons as those given in the article. Poor language skills allowed by lax student visa requirements, isolation, and the high penalties for failing a course when your family is paying full price creates desperation. 4 corners did a pretty good story on it and the smh investigation into MyMaster was also pretty good. Even if you can't get the video on 4 corners, the transcript is available. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/04/20/4217741.htm http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/04/20/4217741.ht... http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-more-than-70-university-students-face-suspension-20150312-1425oe.html http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-mo...

fungi 10y ago
kiwi land as well http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8662806/Chinese-cheats-rort-NZ-universities-with-fakes http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8662806/Chin...
howlingfantods 10y ago
Not about cheating, but my friend runs a education consulting service in China and he recently got a call from a father saying that his 20 year old daughter was in the USA studying English but found it too difficult. The father wanted to know if my friend could help his daughter transfer to a school in a country speaking easier English, like Australia. He and his daughter apparently thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English that would be easier to learn than American English.
- throwaway_xx9 10y ago
  > thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English well ...
- ryao 10y ago
  Singapore would probably work well for that. The people there are reported to speak such a thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish That said, if learning English is the goal, then that probably will be counterproductive.
- gajomi 10y ago
  >He and his daughter apparently thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English In all fairness, there is a certain view that most English dialects are pidginized to some extent. et lest tha leksografee iz konsistent with thee observayshun.
- abrookewood 10y ago
  As an Australian, I can confirm that in some parts of the country this is probably true! Seriously, our elocution is nothing short of atrocious: we drop words, use frequent contractions and then just roll everything into one mumbling, rolling wall of noise. Witness "owzigoin?". Known in more respectable locations as "How are you doing?". FWIW I'm just as guilty as the rest.
  - rcthompson 10y ago
    This is equally true of parts of the USA, and probably most other countries.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    In Hawai'i this is just "howzit?"
  - bigtunacan 10y ago
    As a USA native I can confirm that it is even simpler here. You can just say, "Sup?"
    - abrookewood 10y ago
      Clearly we have work to do ...
    - xenophonf 10y ago
      Us Chicagoans optimize that to "Yo!"
      - stuxnet79 10y ago
        I thought it was 'jo' or 'joe'. I run into a lot of Chicagoans and they pepper their speech with 'joe'. I was always like 'joe' who? Found out recently it is a stand-in for dude.
        Larrikin 10y ago
        More confusingly it's a pretty harsh insult for a female in Philly
Snargorf 10y ago
Non-Chinese students also have those same problems, but they don't cheat like the Chinese. Chinese students cheat because cheating is part of Chinese culture. Go to China and you'll be shocked at how little people care about others in public, or society at large. This is a place where bystanders will watch cars swerve wildly around an open manhole cover over and over, nearly getting in accidents, doing nothing to help. When the Westerner comes by and closes the manhole cover, the Chinese are surprised. They'd never consider doing anything like that, because - what's in it for them? This is a country where people pay others to go to prison for them. If they clip a child with their car, they'll deliberately run over the child again and again to make sure he dies and doesn't create hospital bills. I was never more staggered by rampant, blatant cheating, plagiarism or dishonesty than when I spent a semester studying in a university there. For someone raised in the West, Chinese callousness and dishonesty towards strangers is unbelievable until you experience it.
- SolaceQuantum 10y ago
  > Chinese students cheat because cheating is part of Chinese culture. Go to China and you'll be shocked at how little people care about others in public, or society at large. I am Chinese and I would respectfully disagree that cheating is some part of Chinese culture. The only example you gave was basically the bystander effect in action, which you then ascribe to... cheating somehow? Moral depravity of millions of people? Chinese callousness towards strangers is shocking. Wait till you see what some us politicians have to say about foreigners!
  - tzs 10y ago
    > I am Chinese and I would respectfully disagree that cheating is some part of Chinese culture. I'm not sure what it takes for something to be considered part of a culture, but academic cheating is very widespread in China to the point that there can be strong resistance to local or regional efforts to curb it on the grounds that this will put those who are prevented from cheating at an unfair disadvantage due to the widespread cheating by those outside their region [1]. There's also a plagiarism problem in China, and cultural factors are a major reason for this [2]. More on the scientific plagiarism and fraud problems in China: [3] [4] [5] [6] [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/heres-the-quote-that-sums-up-chinas-huge-problem-of-cheating-in-schools/277108/ http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/heres-the-q... [2] http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hinders-chinas-scientific-ambition http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hi... [3] http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-scientific-credibility-marred-wrongdoing-top-medical-journal-says-1877209 http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-scientific-credibility-marred-... [4] http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-judging-research-leading-academic-fraud-looks-good-paper http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-j... [5] http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/copycat-papers-flag-continuing-headache-china http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/copycat-papers-flag-c... [6] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07fraud.html?pa...
studentrob 10y ago
The Chinese pay full tuition. Unless schools start getting more strict, this trend will continue I believe schools have some charter with the government about this. In exchange for federal money, schools agree to uphold some standard of quality. If they are failing at that, it could be grounds for other students to sue the school. This happened at UNC when athletes were taking bogus classes [1], but the judge tossed out the case because the students waited too long to sue [2] FIRE is a firm whose stated goal is to defend individual rights in education [3]. I'm sure they'd be interested. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-lawsuit/ http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-law... [2] http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article61302252.html http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/articl... [3] https://www.thefire.org/ https://www.thefire.org/

by kirrent 10y ago

fungi 10y ago

kiwi land as well http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8662806/Chinese-cheats-rort-NZ-universities-with-fakes http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8662806/Chin...

howlingfantods 10y ago

Not about cheating, but my friend runs a education consulting service in China and he recently got a call from a father saying that his 20 year old daughter was in the USA studying English but found it too difficult. The father wanted to know if my friend could help his daughter transfer to a school in a country speaking easier English, like Australia. He and his daughter apparently thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English that would be easier to learn than American English.

throwaway_xx9 10y ago
> thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English well ...
ryao 10y ago
Singapore would probably work well for that. The people there are reported to speak such a thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singlish That said, if learning English is the goal, then that probably will be counterproductive.
gajomi 10y ago
>He and his daughter apparently thought Australia spoke some sort of pidgin English In all fairness, there is a certain view that most English dialects are pidginized to some extent. et lest tha leksografee iz konsistent with thee observayshun.
abrookewood 10y ago
As an Australian, I can confirm that in some parts of the country this is probably true! Seriously, our elocution is nothing short of atrocious: we drop words, use frequent contractions and then just roll everything into one mumbling, rolling wall of noise. Witness "owzigoin?". Known in more respectable locations as "How are you doing?". FWIW I'm just as guilty as the rest.
- rcthompson 10y ago
  This is equally true of parts of the USA, and probably most other countries.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  In Hawai'i this is just "howzit?"
- bigtunacan 10y ago
  As a USA native I can confirm that it is even simpler here. You can just say, "Sup?"
  - abrookewood 10y ago
    Clearly we have work to do ...
  - xenophonf 10y ago
    Us Chicagoans optimize that to "Yo!"
    - stuxnet79 10y ago
      I thought it was 'jo' or 'joe'. I run into a lot of Chicagoans and they pepper their speech with 'joe'. I was always like 'joe' who? Found out recently it is a stand-in for dude.
      - Larrikin 10y ago
        More confusingly it's a pretty harsh insult for a female in Philly

Snargorf 10y ago

Non-Chinese students also have those same problems, but they don't cheat like the Chinese. Chinese students cheat because cheating is part of Chinese culture. Go to China and you'll be shocked at how little people care about others in public, or society at large. This is a place where bystanders will watch cars swerve wildly around an open manhole cover over and over, nearly getting in accidents, doing nothing to help. When the Westerner comes by and closes the manhole cover, the Chinese are surprised. They'd never consider doing anything like that, because - what's in it for them? This is a country where people pay others to go to prison for them. If they clip a child with their car, they'll deliberately run over the child again and again to make sure he dies and doesn't create hospital bills. I was never more staggered by rampant, blatant cheating, plagiarism or dishonesty than when I spent a semester studying in a university there. For someone raised in the West, Chinese callousness and dishonesty towards strangers is unbelievable until you experience it.

SolaceQuantum 10y ago
> Chinese students cheat because cheating is part of Chinese culture. Go to China and you'll be shocked at how little people care about others in public, or society at large. I am Chinese and I would respectfully disagree that cheating is some part of Chinese culture. The only example you gave was basically the bystander effect in action, which you then ascribe to... cheating somehow? Moral depravity of millions of people? Chinese callousness towards strangers is shocking. Wait till you see what some us politicians have to say about foreigners!
- tzs 10y ago
  > I am Chinese and I would respectfully disagree that cheating is some part of Chinese culture. I'm not sure what it takes for something to be considered part of a culture, but academic cheating is very widespread in China to the point that there can be strong resistance to local or regional efforts to curb it on the grounds that this will put those who are prevented from cheating at an unfair disadvantage due to the widespread cheating by those outside their region [1]. There's also a plagiarism problem in China, and cultural factors are a major reason for this [2]. More on the scientific plagiarism and fraud problems in China: [3] [4] [5] [6] [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/heres-the-quote-that-sums-up-chinas-huge-problem-of-cheating-in-schools/277108/ http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/06/heres-the-q... [2] http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hinders-chinas-scientific-ambition http://www.npr.org/2011/08/03/138937778/plagiarism-plague-hi... [3] http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-scientific-credibility-marred-wrongdoing-top-medical-journal-says-1877209 http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-scientific-credibility-marred-... [4] http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-judging-research-leading-academic-fraud-looks-good-paper http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-j... [5] http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/copycat-papers-flag-continuing-headache-china http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/10/copycat-papers-flag-c... [6] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/world/asia/07fraud.html?pa...

studentrob 10y ago

The Chinese pay full tuition. Unless schools start getting more strict, this trend will continue I believe schools have some charter with the government about this. In exchange for federal money, schools agree to uphold some standard of quality. If they are failing at that, it could be grounds for other students to sue the school. This happened at UNC when athletes were taking bogus classes [1], but the judge tossed out the case because the students waited too long to sue [2] FIRE is a firm whose stated goal is to defend individual rights in education [3]. I'm sure they'd be interested. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-lawsuit/ http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/01/sport/ncaa-response-to-law... [2] http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/article61302252.html http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/education/articl... [3] https://www.thefire.org/ https://www.thefire.org/