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Why use nix when pkg-src has been available on Darwin for over 15 years, boasts more packages, and has decades of support (plus Jonathan Perkin and the guys ove

by jd3 10y ago

Why use nix when pkg-src has been available on Darwin for over 15 years, boasts more packages, and has decades of support (plus Jonathan Perkin and the guys over at Joyent)? Why people assume the gross project known as homebrew (and the better macports, where homebrew gets all of their real package patches) are the only two package managers on OS X/Darwin is perplexing to me... Not to say nix is not interesting, but still. The OS X open source/package community would be insanely better if it was solely centralized around pkg-src. https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/install-on-osx/ https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/install-on-osx/ http://github.com/cmacrae/saveosx http://github.com/cmacrae/saveosx

dmd 10y ago
Both of your links are broken.
- jd3 10y ago
  oops, copied it over from my comment on the article itself. fixed now
CJefferson 10y ago
Hmm.. I've never tried pkg-src before. I'll give it a try. Step 1: I have to download a gig of stuff before I can install any packages? Even though my drive is big nowadays, that still seems like a bit of a waste... Step 2: Let's try building a package, the last thing I installed with homebrew. > cd math/minisat > make install clean Makefile:27: *** missing separator. Stop. > make Makefile:27: *** missing separator. Stop. Hmm.. this isn't the most user-friendly system... UPDATE: I have to use the bmake I bootstrapped, didn't realise (and the quick-start docs didn't mention it). Now building begins, but the executable doesn't link.
- jd3 10y ago
  use the `pkgin` binary to install binaries built from joyent... (https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/Darwin/ https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/Darwin/) No need to clone the package tree. This fixes step 1. `sudo bmake install clean` fixes step two.... (opt needs superuser permissions). see the joyent link in particular to see how easy it is to install pre-compiled binary packages with pkgin
mapcars 10y ago
Does it allow you to install several versions of a package and use everything down to compiler version and compilation flags as dependencies?
defiancedigital 10y ago
Maybe against monoculture and user experience with pkg-src on OSX was very bad for years. Nix introduces modern concepts that pkg-src will never have without complete rewrite ... so we need to look forward
mikemcquaid 10y ago
Homebrew and MacPorts users both patch upstream projects and share patches between projects.
brightshiny 10y ago
I'm going to give it a try for a while, thanks.

by jd3 10y ago

dmd 10y ago

Both of your links are broken.

jd3 10y ago
oops, copied it over from my comment on the article itself. fixed now

CJefferson 10y ago

Hmm.. I've never tried pkg-src before. I'll give it a try. Step 1: I have to download a gig of stuff before I can install any packages? Even though my drive is big nowadays, that still seems like a bit of a waste... Step 2: Let's try building a package, the last thing I installed with homebrew. > cd math/minisat > make install clean Makefile:27: *** missing separator. Stop. > make Makefile:27: *** missing separator. Stop. Hmm.. this isn't the most user-friendly system... UPDATE: I have to use the bmake I bootstrapped, didn't realise (and the quick-start docs didn't mention it). Now building begins, but the executable doesn't link.

jd3 10y ago
use the `pkgin` binary to install binaries built from joyent... (https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/Darwin/ https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/packages/Darwin/) No need to clone the package tree. This fixes step 1. `sudo bmake install clean` fixes step two.... (opt needs superuser permissions). see the joyent link in particular to see how easy it is to install pre-compiled binary packages with pkgin

mapcars 10y ago

Does it allow you to install several versions of a package and use everything down to compiler version and compilation flags as dependencies?

defiancedigital 10y ago

Maybe against monoculture and user experience with pkg-src on OSX was very bad for years. Nix introduces modern concepts that pkg-src will never have without complete rewrite ... so we need to look forward

mikemcquaid 10y ago

Homebrew and MacPorts users both patch upstream projects and share patches between projects.

brightshiny 10y ago

I'm going to give it a try for a while, thanks.