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I would hope its not truly being done without notification and agreement of the customer. That is just rude and should be illegal. The car should tell me each

I would hope its not truly being done without notification and agreement of the customer. That is just rude and should be illegal. The car should tell me each and every time the manufacture did something and what it was. I should have to actively agree to be part of any test regardless if my direct involvement is required or not.

buss 10y ago
I'm on the fence, but think I mostly agree with you. I expect some new regulations to be created due to Tesla playing fast and loose with this tech.
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toomuchtodo 10y ago
I suggest not buying a Tesla if you'd prefer not to agree to the software update ToS that permits this (its part of the purchase agreement, and opt out is available). Tesla provides constant updates to the vehicle's functionality (which no other manufacturer offers). In return, they perform machine learning using acquired data (at no cost to you). Fair trade. You are reading the ToS of everything you agree to, no?
- vvanders 10y ago
  Yup, they can also do remote CAN diagnostics which can save you a trip to the shop to debug(plus they have a log of exactly what happened). There's downsides for sure, but they are definitely leveraging all of the advantages as well.
  - gherkin0 10y ago
    Plus they can scold you if they catch you tinkering with your car. On the plus side: they're watching you. On the negative side: they're watching you.
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      You own the hardware, they own the software.
onion2k 10y ago
Many modern cars have an "event data recorder" that holds information about pretty much everything when you're driving. Admittedly they only hold about 30 seconds worth of information (in case you crash) but the point here is that tracking what you do isn't a new thing and expanding the period the data is held for would be trivial.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174...

buss 10y ago

I'm on the fence, but think I mostly agree with you. I expect some new regulations to be created due to Tesla playing fast and loose with this tech.

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toomuchtodo 10y ago

I suggest not buying a Tesla if you'd prefer not to agree to the software update ToS that permits this (its part of the purchase agreement, and opt out is available). Tesla provides constant updates to the vehicle's functionality (which no other manufacturer offers). In return, they perform machine learning using acquired data (at no cost to you). Fair trade. You are reading the ToS of everything you agree to, no?

vvanders 10y ago
Yup, they can also do remote CAN diagnostics which can save you a trip to the shop to debug(plus they have a log of exactly what happened). There's downsides for sure, but they are definitely leveraging all of the advantages as well.
- gherkin0 10y ago
  Plus they can scold you if they catch you tinkering with your car. On the plus side: they're watching you. On the negative side: they're watching you.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    You own the hardware, they own the software.

onion2k 10y ago

Many modern cars have an "event data recorder" that holds information about pretty much everything when you're driving. Admittedly they only hold about 30 seconds worth of information (in case you crash) but the point here is that tracking what you do isn't a new thing and expanding the period the data is held for would be trivial.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174...