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This is a huge competitive advantage for Tesla. Google is running a few test cars around mountain view, while Tesla is gathering training data from 50k cars alr
by xsmasher 10y ago
This is a huge competitive advantage for Tesla. Google is running a few test cars around mountain view, while Tesla is gathering training data from 50k cars already on the road.
- Shivetya 10y agoI would hope its not truly being done without notification and agreement of the customer. That is just rude and should be illegal. The car should tell me each and every time the manufacture did something and what it was. I should have to actively agree to be part of any test regardless if my direct involvement is required or not.
- buss 10y agoI'm on the fence, but think I mostly agree with you. I expect some new regulations to be created due to Tesla playing fast and loose with this tech.
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- toomuchtodo 10y agoI suggest not buying a Tesla if you'd prefer not to agree to the software update ToS that permits this (its part of the purchase agreement, and opt out is available). Tesla provides constant updates to the vehicle's functionality (which no other manufacturer offers). In return, they perform machine learning using acquired data (at no cost to you). Fair trade. You are reading the ToS of everything you agree to, no?
- vvanders 10y agoYup, they can also do remote CAN diagnostics which can save you a trip to the shop to debug(plus they have a log of exactly what happened). There's downsides for sure, but they are definitely leveraging all of the advantages as well.
- gherkin0 10y agoPlus they can scold you if they catch you tinkering with your car. On the plus side: they're watching you. On the negative side: they're watching you.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoYou own the hardware, they own the software.
- onion2k 10y agoMany modern cars have an "event data recorder" that holds information about pretty much everything when you're driving. Admittedly they only hold about 30 seconds worth of information (in case you crash) but the point here is that tracking what you do isn't a new thing and expanding the period the data is held for would be trivial.
- toomuchtodo 10y agohttp://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174...
- melling 10y agoYeah, I mentioned this a month ago. Google only has 1.5 million miles of testing. Tesla will soon have a couple hundred thousand cars on the road. They should be able to get 10x the testing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11560807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11560807 Actually, it looks like they might be getting 100x-1000x the amount of useful data: "Every 10 hours Tesla gets another million miles worth of data, he said."
- esmi 10y agoHow useful is this data really though? Say their software makes the decision to go straight and maintain the speed limit. I, as the driving choose to speed up. Was their software right or wrong? Did I speed up because I was avoiding some hazard or because I'm driving a Tesla? Is this an important data point, or some fluke that should be thrown out. I think one has to be very careful when inferring any conclusions from these logs.
- wavefunction 10y agoI've seen the Google self-driving cars here in Austin for at least a few years. edit Not that it makes much of a difference to your main point.