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This argument applies to all kinds of taxes, right? If you tax labor, I'll just move my factory somewhere that labor isn't taxed. If you tax my income, I'll m

by jlebar 10y ago

This argument applies to all kinds of taxes, right? If you tax labor, I'll just move my factory somewhere that labor isn't taxed. If you tax my income, I'll move myself to a lower-tax place. If you tax my land, I'll just buy land somewhere else. And so on. Yet somehow most countries are able to tax labor, income, land, and so on, without losing their entire populations. Not to say that people won't leave because of taxes. Just that there are also reasons that make people stay.

unabst 10y ago
The issue has a lot to do with the finances of scale. Mom and pops aren't going anywhere, and neither are you, but Apple will go to Ireland, and wealthy individuals will bank in tax havens. And hence, the wealth gap widens. Most -- the "99%" -- stay and pay taxes. The 1% don't, but they look like they're still here. They just have one foot - the tax paying foot -- in Ireland.
- louprado 10y ago
  An accountant recently confessed to me that many wealthy Californians do the same using Nevada. Just declare an NV home as your primary residence and make sure to document your time in NV (photos, flights, ATM receipts). CA income tax is 13.3% for the wealthy. NV is 0%.
  - hospes 10y ago
    If you are making let's say 10 mln a year, that means by lying that NV is your primary residence, you did not pay more than 1 mln in taxes. For getting back that kind of money, Criminal Investigation Bureau of Franchise Tax Board can afford keeping dedicated agent who will follow you and see how often do you actually go to NV and after couple weeks of surveillance when he sees that you do not go there much, he can get court order and: - Look at your cell phone location information for last several months. - Use Police's license plate trackers to track your car (Probably they do not even need court order for this one). - They can get your car's location information (I assume high income people have one of modern expensive cars and most of them have tracker in case it is stolen). - They can talk to your made(s) (I assume you have one, since you make 10+ mln) and pressure them to tell the true story. Sounds really dangerous to lie about your location now days when it is so easy to check it, without even leaving the room.
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    - ojbyrne 10y ago
      You, in turn, donate $50k a year to politicians who work to cut the Franchise Tax Board's investigative budget.
ThomPete 10y ago
Some things are easier than others. Technology is easy to move around, people aren't.
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bubuga 10y ago
> Yet somehow most countries are able to tax labor, income, land, and so on, without losing their entire populations. That's because most of the population aren't free to give everything up because a government gradually makes their life slightly worse. Just because the frog doesn't skip out of the saucepan, it doesn't magically mean that it's perfectly acceptable to keep turning up the gas.

by jlebar 10y ago

unabst 10y ago

The issue has a lot to do with the finances of scale. Mom and pops aren't going anywhere, and neither are you, but Apple will go to Ireland, and wealthy individuals will bank in tax havens. And hence, the wealth gap widens. Most -- the "99%" -- stay and pay taxes. The 1% don't, but they look like they're still here. They just have one foot - the tax paying foot -- in Ireland.

louprado 10y ago
An accountant recently confessed to me that many wealthy Californians do the same using Nevada. Just declare an NV home as your primary residence and make sure to document your time in NV (photos, flights, ATM receipts). CA income tax is 13.3% for the wealthy. NV is 0%.
- hospes 10y ago
  If you are making let's say 10 mln a year, that means by lying that NV is your primary residence, you did not pay more than 1 mln in taxes. For getting back that kind of money, Criminal Investigation Bureau of Franchise Tax Board can afford keeping dedicated agent who will follow you and see how often do you actually go to NV and after couple weeks of surveillance when he sees that you do not go there much, he can get court order and: - Look at your cell phone location information for last several months. - Use Police's license plate trackers to track your car (Probably they do not even need court order for this one). - They can get your car's location information (I assume high income people have one of modern expensive cars and most of them have tracker in case it is stolen). - They can talk to your made(s) (I assume you have one, since you make 10+ mln) and pressure them to tell the true story. Sounds really dangerous to lie about your location now days when it is so easy to check it, without even leaving the room.
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  - ojbyrne 10y ago
    You, in turn, donate $50k a year to politicians who work to cut the Franchise Tax Board's investigative budget.

ThomPete 10y ago

Some things are easier than others. Technology is easy to move around, people aren't.

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bubuga 10y ago

> Yet somehow most countries are able to tax labor, income, land, and so on, without losing their entire populations. That's because most of the population aren't free to give everything up because a government gradually makes their life slightly worse. Just because the frog doesn't skip out of the saucepan, it doesn't magically mean that it's perfectly acceptable to keep turning up the gas.