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This is why the Ruby (esp. Rails) community only works for startups that pay in "equity." Down-mod if you want, but I've been running a 20 employee company for

This is why the Ruby (esp. Rails) community only works for startups that pay in "equity." Down-mod if you want, but I've been running a 20 employee company for more than six years and have recently moved contract work from PHP to Python due to the unprofessionalism in the Ruby community (I would have preferred Ruby if it had a better scene). Our internal products are also mostly PHP or Python. Same reason.

berntb 17y ago
Here is my personal anecdote: All the flaming of other language communities has turned me a bit off Python -- your comment here is an example. Disclaimer: I haven't written a page of Ruby code but read a book or two, if I change language environment again it will probably be something functional. (Please keep the language wars on slashdot, or something. :-( Too low information/noise ratio.) Edit: Idiom in better English.
texel 17y ago
You're more likely to get downmodded because your first premise is provably false. I'm sorry you ran into unprofessional people in the Ruby community, and you're perfectly within your rights to use whatever technology best suits you and your business, but comments like this are inflammatory and counterproductive.
Daniel_Newby 17y ago
It's the facial hair. If Matz and his followers had more facial hair, the Ruby scene would rock. I know he may be doing the best he can, but the fact remains: programming languages are awesome in proportion to the beardiness of their creators and cheerleaders. K&R? Check. Guido? Check. John McCarthy? Check. Wall? Moustache but no beard, so half-sucky but tolerable. Stroustrup? Trimmed down a lot, so good but not truly awesome. The Lua guy? Worse than Matz. Java, PHP, and JavaScript? You can see the faces! The skin!!!11! And let's not forget COBOL, the only language to develop actual estrogen poisoning. What's the beard coverage fraction at your company?
- ratsbane 17y ago
  In defense of Larry Wall's moustache, it's awesome in a way that either Sonny Bono or Thomas Magnum could be proud of.
  - Daniel_Newby 17y ago
    His moustache needs no defending. It is indeed awesome. It's just not a beard.
- DanielBMarkham 17y ago
  Reminds me of a scene from the TV series "Cheers". Norm is at the bar. "Jesus. Socrates. Plato. What did they have?" The bartender shrugs. "I'll tell you. Sandals, that's what. Most all your great thinkers had great footwear." Beards and sandals? Could be the basis for the next programming evolution.
- wyclif 17y ago
  The first thing you will need to get started with Emacs is a beard. --Wilhelm Bierbaum, Dec. 22 2009 http://twitter.com/wilhelmbierbaum/status/6936568390 http://twitter.com/wilhelmbierbaum/status/6936568390
jon_dahl 17y ago
You see unprofessionalism. I see creativity. Fortunately, you moved from PHP to another good language - most of us in the Ruby world have a lot of appreciation for Python. You never hear good Ruby people badmouthing Python. Programming language selection doesn't have to be based on ad hominem.

berntb 17y ago

Here is my personal anecdote: All the flaming of other language communities has turned me a bit off Python -- your comment here is an example. Disclaimer: I haven't written a page of Ruby code but read a book or two, if I change language environment again it will probably be something functional. (Please keep the language wars on slashdot, or something. :-( Too low information/noise ratio.) Edit: Idiom in better English.

texel 17y ago

You're more likely to get downmodded because your first premise is provably false. I'm sorry you ran into unprofessional people in the Ruby community, and you're perfectly within your rights to use whatever technology best suits you and your business, but comments like this are inflammatory and counterproductive.

Daniel_Newby 17y ago

It's the facial hair. If Matz and his followers had more facial hair, the Ruby scene would rock. I know he may be doing the best he can, but the fact remains: programming languages are awesome in proportion to the beardiness of their creators and cheerleaders. K&R? Check. Guido? Check. John McCarthy? Check. Wall? Moustache but no beard, so half-sucky but tolerable. Stroustrup? Trimmed down a lot, so good but not truly awesome. The Lua guy? Worse than Matz. Java, PHP, and JavaScript? You can see the faces! The skin!!!11! And let's not forget COBOL, the only language to develop actual estrogen poisoning. What's the beard coverage fraction at your company?

ratsbane 17y ago
In defense of Larry Wall's moustache, it's awesome in a way that either Sonny Bono or Thomas Magnum could be proud of.
- Daniel_Newby 17y ago
  His moustache needs no defending. It is indeed awesome. It's just not a beard.
DanielBMarkham 17y ago
Reminds me of a scene from the TV series "Cheers". Norm is at the bar. "Jesus. Socrates. Plato. What did they have?" The bartender shrugs. "I'll tell you. Sandals, that's what. Most all your great thinkers had great footwear." Beards and sandals? Could be the basis for the next programming evolution.
wyclif 17y ago
The first thing you will need to get started with Emacs is a beard. --Wilhelm Bierbaum, Dec. 22 2009 http://twitter.com/wilhelmbierbaum/status/6936568390 http://twitter.com/wilhelmbierbaum/status/6936568390

jon_dahl 17y ago

You see unprofessionalism. I see creativity. Fortunately, you moved from PHP to another good language - most of us in the Ruby world have a lot of appreciation for Python. You never hear good Ruby people badmouthing Python. Programming language selection doesn't have to be based on ad hominem.