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> with good E2E encryption support. They say there is good E2E encryption. Great claims require great proof.

by drcross 10y ago

bad_user 10y ago
Behind WhatsApp's E2E encryption is the technology from Signal / Open Whisper Systems, which is developed in the open, the work on WhatsApp being done in partnership with them, see: https://whispersystems.org https://whispersystems.org Of course, it's not totally trustworthy, because in the end it's still a proprietary app, distributed as a binary blob, connecting to proprietary servers, for which you can't have access to the source code and in spite of any well meaning partnerships, they can always push an update that undoes all of that. But you know, at this point that's still better and more trustworthy than other mainstream alternatives. So now I have WhatsApp installed.
Aoyagi 10y ago
The only great proof would be opensourcing it completely, and I don't see that happening. Then again, Moxie said he himself oversaw the implementation of the encryption and that he has trust in it...
- awqrre 10y ago
  Even if they implemented correctly, it doesn't mean that they didn't add a backdoor for the government.
  - Aoyagi 10y ago
    To quote him: "I was very closely involved for the integration, had full access to the source code, did plenty of review, and have a lot of confidence in the engineers that are maintaining it. There are plenty of engineers in the world who are capable of inspecting the binaries they're distributing, so it would be incredibly risky of them to inject surveillance code client side."
    - awqrre 10y ago
      I guess that the governmenet doesn't even need a backdoor in the Facebook app... Since Google has admin privileges on your device and is in bed with the NSA, they could go that route instead.
therealmarv 10y ago
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> with good E2E encryption support. They say there is good E2E encryption. Great claims require great proof.

by drcross 10y ago

> with good E2E encryption support. They say there is good E2E encryption. Great claims require great proof.

Behind WhatsApp's E2E encryption is the technology from Signal / Open Whisper Systems, which is developed in the open, the work on WhatsApp being done in partnership with them, see: https://whispersystems.org https://whispersystems.org Of course, it's not totally trustworthy, because in the end it's still a proprietary app, distributed as a binary blob, connecting to proprietary servers, for which you can't have access to the source code and in spite of any well meaning partnerships, they can always push an update that undoes all of that. But you know, at this point that's still better and more trustworthy than other mainstream alternatives. So now I have WhatsApp installed.

Aoyagi 10y ago

The only great proof would be opensourcing it completely, and I don't see that happening. Then again, Moxie said he himself oversaw the implementation of the encryption and that he has trust in it...

awqrre 10y ago
Even if they implemented correctly, it doesn't mean that they didn't add a backdoor for the government.
- Aoyagi 10y ago
  To quote him: "I was very closely involved for the integration, had full access to the source code, did plenty of review, and have a lot of confidence in the engineers that are maintaining it. There are plenty of engineers in the world who are capable of inspecting the binaries they're distributing, so it would be incredibly risky of them to inject surveillance code client side."
  - awqrre 10y ago
    I guess that the governmenet doesn't even need a backdoor in the Facebook app... Since Google has admin privileges on your device and is in bed with the NSA, they could go that route instead.

therealmarv 10y ago

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fsecurity%2Fartikel%2FTest-Hinter-den-Kulissen-der-WhatsApp-Verschluesselung-3165567.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=...