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Or, you know, socialize healthcare :).

by davty 10y ago

duncan_bayne 10y ago
... which is just as problematic, ethically speaking, as socialised corporate losses (e.g. bank bailouts). I don't see how anyone can be in favour of one, but not the other. In practice, though, most people favour one or the other, but not neither of both.
- unprepare 10y ago
  You dont see why people believe society should help a gunshot victim but not a bank that sold questionable loans? To most people, there is an extremely obvious distinction.
  - duncan_bayne 10y ago
    Sure, there is a massive difference. I think society should support the former, but not the latter. But those arguing for socialised medicine aren't arguing that society should help the gunshot victim, they're arguing that the money to do so should be coerced from members of society. That coercion is morally wrong, regardless of how worthy the recipient is. Also, if societal support were voluntary, people could choose between supporting the gunshot victim or the bank.
    - unprepare 10y ago
      got it, you're against the concept of taxes. sounds like a great system of government.
    - BrainInAJar 10y ago
      No, "coercing" money from people isn't morally wrong, it's part of the social contract. I'm a pacifist, but I still recognize that the sort of society left undefended doesn't last long so I pay the share of taxes that go to the military. Trade becomes difficult without roads, so every member of a vibrant economy pays for the infrastructure necessary to conduct that trade. I extend that to healthcare. A sick populous is less productive and less desirable.
      - duncan_bayne 10y ago
        No part of all of those desirable outcomes requires coercion. In fact you've already said that you willingly pay for same.
      - duncan_bayne 10y ago
        Also, and this is a serious question: what is your definition of pacifism, that it allows for coercive funding? I assume here that you support the arrest and jailing of those who refuse to pay tax (and their probable death, should they refuse to be arrested either).
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Or, you know, socialize healthcare :).

by davty 10y ago

Or, you know, socialize healthcare :).

... which is just as problematic, ethically speaking, as socialised corporate losses (e.g. bank bailouts). I don't see how anyone can be in favour of one, but not the other. In practice, though, most people favour one or the other, but not neither of both.

unprepare 10y ago
You dont see why people believe society should help a gunshot victim but not a bank that sold questionable loans? To most people, there is an extremely obvious distinction.
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  Sure, there is a massive difference. I think society should support the former, but not the latter. But those arguing for socialised medicine aren't arguing that society should help the gunshot victim, they're arguing that the money to do so should be coerced from members of society. That coercion is morally wrong, regardless of how worthy the recipient is. Also, if societal support were voluntary, people could choose between supporting the gunshot victim or the bank.
  - unprepare 10y ago
    got it, you're against the concept of taxes. sounds like a great system of government.
  - BrainInAJar 10y ago
    No, "coercing" money from people isn't morally wrong, it's part of the social contract. I'm a pacifist, but I still recognize that the sort of society left undefended doesn't last long so I pay the share of taxes that go to the military. Trade becomes difficult without roads, so every member of a vibrant economy pays for the infrastructure necessary to conduct that trade. I extend that to healthcare. A sick populous is less productive and less desirable.
    - duncan_bayne 10y ago
      No part of all of those desirable outcomes requires coercion. In fact you've already said that you willingly pay for same.
    - duncan_bayne 10y ago
      Also, and this is a serious question: what is your definition of pacifism, that it allows for coercive funding? I assume here that you support the arrest and jailing of those who refuse to pay tax (and their probable death, should they refuse to be arrested either).
      - deleted 10y ago
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