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> this point, given how messed up the health care system is (law, super expensive EOL care, high entry cost for doctors and nurses, poor non-emergency care situ

by anamax 17y ago

> this point, given how messed up the health care system is (law, super expensive EOL care, high entry cost for doctors and nurses, poor non-emergency care situation), can you really do the right things. Which of those factors are due to insurance companies? If you don't fix them, how likely is it that any "new" system will be any better?

protomyth 17y ago
Those factors are the landscape the insurance companies operate in. The biggest problem is that I don't see any of the actual legislation doing anything about actual input costs to the system or increasing competition.
- anamax 17y ago
  > The biggest problem is that I don't see any of the actual legislation doing anything about actual input costs to the system or increasing competition. Not to be rude, but where have you looked? Besides, if that sort of legislation is what is required, how does its absence justify doing something else?
  - protomyth 17y ago
    Well, the last time it was on one of the senator's websites. I admit I was skimming to look if some things were changing for certain currently funded programs, but I kept my eye out for other stuff. Politics are political. Each party is funded by people who want parts of the current system to stay the same or change for their benefit. Trial Lawyers (D) and Drug Companies (R) for example have huge stakes. I ignore what a politician says and look at the actual documents. I admit, lately, it has been really hard to get ahold of bills. I worry about the urgency that doesn't let a bill be posted and reviewed before voting.
    - anamax 17y ago
      > Well, the last time it was on one of the senator's websites. That's better than nothing, but if you looked at a Repub senator's website, you're unlikely to see all Repub proposals, let alone Dem proposals. The reverse is also true. > I ignore what a politician says and look at the actual documents. I admit, lately, it has been really hard to get ahold of bills. I worry about the urgency that doesn't let a bill be posted and reviewed before voting. I agree with all that.
      - protomyth 17y ago
        You know, I really don't remember which party, it was a pointer over to the full house's site. This hiding of bills has to stop. It is the information age and I had a lot easier time getting the full text of a bill ten years ago. I'm just worried everyone is going to have the same "end of fiscal year no money for you" that has plagued the reservations under IHS. The sad part is the coverage of the news media is so poor on these, that the few stories that have gone out are thought of as aberrations instead of the day to day reality. I just wished the gov (both parties) would prove they could get it done with the limited population already served before moving on.
        anamax 17y ago
        > I just wished the gov (both parties) would prove they could get it done with the limited population already served before moving on. I agree. In fact, that's exactly my proposal - try out nationalized healthcare on federal employees and so on.

by anamax 17y ago

protomyth 17y ago

Those factors are the landscape the insurance companies operate in. The biggest problem is that I don't see any of the actual legislation doing anything about actual input costs to the system or increasing competition.

anamax 17y ago
> The biggest problem is that I don't see any of the actual legislation doing anything about actual input costs to the system or increasing competition. Not to be rude, but where have you looked? Besides, if that sort of legislation is what is required, how does its absence justify doing something else?
- protomyth 17y ago
  Well, the last time it was on one of the senator's websites. I admit I was skimming to look if some things were changing for certain currently funded programs, but I kept my eye out for other stuff. Politics are political. Each party is funded by people who want parts of the current system to stay the same or change for their benefit. Trial Lawyers (D) and Drug Companies (R) for example have huge stakes. I ignore what a politician says and look at the actual documents. I admit, lately, it has been really hard to get ahold of bills. I worry about the urgency that doesn't let a bill be posted and reviewed before voting.
  - anamax 17y ago
    > Well, the last time it was on one of the senator's websites. That's better than nothing, but if you looked at a Repub senator's website, you're unlikely to see all Repub proposals, let alone Dem proposals. The reverse is also true. > I ignore what a politician says and look at the actual documents. I admit, lately, it has been really hard to get ahold of bills. I worry about the urgency that doesn't let a bill be posted and reviewed before voting. I agree with all that.
    - protomyth 17y ago
      You know, I really don't remember which party, it was a pointer over to the full house's site. This hiding of bills has to stop. It is the information age and I had a lot easier time getting the full text of a bill ten years ago. I'm just worried everyone is going to have the same "end of fiscal year no money for you" that has plagued the reservations under IHS. The sad part is the coverage of the news media is so poor on these, that the few stories that have gone out are thought of as aberrations instead of the day to day reality. I just wished the gov (both parties) would prove they could get it done with the limited population already served before moving on.
      - anamax 17y ago
        > I just wished the gov (both parties) would prove they could get it done with the limited population already served before moving on. I agree. In fact, that's exactly my proposal - try out nationalized healthcare on federal employees and so on.