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> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped mak

> One of the most common refrains among ex-Disney staffers was that Disney had a strong aversion to risk. Now why does that not surprise me. Disney stopped making art somewhere in the 1940's (fantasia) and started shipping product. I didn't share people's relief that the force awakens at least didn't suck like the prequels. The writing was so derivative as to almost make it a remake. Instead of Jar Jar Binks, the comic relief was Emo-Vader, but the comic relief shouldn't be the best part of the movie, and I'm not even sure if he was meant to be funny.

bitJericho 10y ago
Sorry, unless you're an angsty teen, you weren't meant to relate to emo-vader, er, Kylo Ren. You were meant to relate to Han Solo. But you'd only relate if you're a parent. If not, then I guess there's always Traitor-guy. Yes the new episode is derivative. That's because it is how epics are told. It will diverge on the next two episodes from the original trilogy, unless Disney gets scared... that would be a huge disappointment...
- wanderer2323 10y ago
  "Yes the new episode is derivative. That's because it is how epics are told" What a load of bull. It is how bad sequels are told, "more of the same".
  - abritinthebay 10y ago
    No, that's literally standard epic storytelling structure. This is Lit 101 stuff.
    - wanderer2323 10y ago
      (citation needed)
- wobbleblob 10y ago
  > You were meant to relate to Han Solo Funny coincidence: the other day my youngest stabbed me with her light saber edit: spoiler alert. If you don't want to read spoilers, don't read the sentence above.
  - bitJericho 10y ago
    Yeah yeah keep making jokes but once you have a teenage son you'll understand D:
de_Selby 10y ago
I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.
- wobbleblob 10y ago
  Not exactly the same story. It wasn't the plans for Death Star mk.III that were hidden in the cute robot this time. To be fair, my wife liked it because the protagonist action hero was a girl, which is original in the genre I guess.
- easyfrag 10y ago
  I agree but I look at it as palate cleaner after the prequels, that being said in episode 8 Finn better not end up in carbonite.
- gambiting 10y ago
  The film had the impossible task of pleasing both old and new viewers of the franchise. It succeeded immensely in that regard, old viewers could recognize the nods to the old trilogy, while new viewers were presented with a very well made film that (in my opinion) surpasses the original trilogy in literally every way. If I had to rate it I would definitely rate it higher than new hope.
  - wobbleblob 10y ago
    I didn't say it wasn't well made, I didn't like the writing. There were so many nods to the old trilogy that my neck started to hurt. Spoiler alert! Young adventurer on a desert planet unaware of their Jedi powers? Resourceful, commanding, brutally competent as well as sexy young princess? Help from a reluctant rogue with his hairy side kick, on the run from crime lord that he tried to swindle? A tall masked dark side antagonist, apprentice of a mysterious emperor type guy? An evil empire vs a rebel alliance? Secret plans hidden in robot? Quest to find hermit Jedi master? Quest to destroy a planet killing Death Star? The most original part of the writing was merging the adventurer and the princess into one character and making the Vader part an annoying teenager.
douche 10y ago
Wildly overrated movie. I tried rewatching it on a plane a couple weeks ago, and it really doesn't stand up to repeat viewings. Apparently there is a novelization that patches up all the many, many plot points that were unexplained or made no sense in the movie script, but the movie is really just another lazy JJ Abrams production. Then you notice how, like Jurassic World, nearly every scene is a blatant callback to something from the original film. Unfortunately, you could package two hours of film of an actual gold-plated turd, and it would make a billion dollars if it had the Star Wars name on it.

bitJericho 10y ago

Sorry, unless you're an angsty teen, you weren't meant to relate to emo-vader, er, Kylo Ren. You were meant to relate to Han Solo. But you'd only relate if you're a parent. If not, then I guess there's always Traitor-guy. Yes the new episode is derivative. That's because it is how epics are told. It will diverge on the next two episodes from the original trilogy, unless Disney gets scared... that would be a huge disappointment...

wanderer2323 10y ago
"Yes the new episode is derivative. That's because it is how epics are told" What a load of bull. It is how bad sequels are told, "more of the same".
- abritinthebay 10y ago
  No, that's literally standard epic storytelling structure. This is Lit 101 stuff.
  - wanderer2323 10y ago
    (citation needed)
wobbleblob 10y ago
> You were meant to relate to Han Solo Funny coincidence: the other day my youngest stabbed me with her light saber edit: spoiler alert. If you don't want to read spoilers, don't read the sentence above.
- bitJericho 10y ago
  Yeah yeah keep making jokes but once you have a teenage son you'll understand D:

de_Selby 10y ago

I was very confused by the good reviews too, it was literally the exact same story as A New Hope. I don't hold much hope for the next films.

wobbleblob 10y ago
Not exactly the same story. It wasn't the plans for Death Star mk.III that were hidden in the cute robot this time. To be fair, my wife liked it because the protagonist action hero was a girl, which is original in the genre I guess.
easyfrag 10y ago
I agree but I look at it as palate cleaner after the prequels, that being said in episode 8 Finn better not end up in carbonite.
gambiting 10y ago
The film had the impossible task of pleasing both old and new viewers of the franchise. It succeeded immensely in that regard, old viewers could recognize the nods to the old trilogy, while new viewers were presented with a very well made film that (in my opinion) surpasses the original trilogy in literally every way. If I had to rate it I would definitely rate it higher than new hope.
- wobbleblob 10y ago
  I didn't say it wasn't well made, I didn't like the writing. There were so many nods to the old trilogy that my neck started to hurt. Spoiler alert! Young adventurer on a desert planet unaware of their Jedi powers? Resourceful, commanding, brutally competent as well as sexy young princess? Help from a reluctant rogue with his hairy side kick, on the run from crime lord that he tried to swindle? A tall masked dark side antagonist, apprentice of a mysterious emperor type guy? An evil empire vs a rebel alliance? Secret plans hidden in robot? Quest to find hermit Jedi master? Quest to destroy a planet killing Death Star? The most original part of the writing was merging the adventurer and the princess into one character and making the Vader part an annoying teenager.

douche 10y ago

Wildly overrated movie. I tried rewatching it on a plane a couple weeks ago, and it really doesn't stand up to repeat viewings. Apparently there is a novelization that patches up all the many, many plot points that were unexplained or made no sense in the movie script, but the movie is really just another lazy JJ Abrams production. Then you notice how, like Jurassic World, nearly every scene is a blatant callback to something from the original film. Unfortunately, you could package two hours of film of an actual gold-plated turd, and it would make a billion dollars if it had the Star Wars name on it.