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Those of us born in coastal states might have an issue with that. Affluence and gentrification destroy the character of interesting communities. Careless indiff

by tomc1985 10y ago

Those of us born in coastal states might have an issue with that. Affluence and gentrification destroy the character of interesting communities. Careless indifference deserves no place here.

dionidium 10y ago
It's not careless or indifferent to acknowledge that the demand exists. It is a fact of the world. A fact that, yes, I understand, you do not like. But I haven't seen a single proposal that does anything to realistically address it. The demand is there and it's not going away. Whatever you're hoping for, it's too late.
- mistermann 10y ago
  Bringing a massive amount of supply to market would solve it, but because of nimby and other reasons it will never happen.
  - dionidium 10y ago
    Right. High prices or lots of new housing. Pick one.
  - jxramos 10y ago
    absolutely, just commented on something along these lines a few comments up. https://youtu.be/5GoAGuTIbVY?t=146 https://youtu.be/5GoAGuTIbVY?t=146 and another good commentary on a comparison of what percentage of income was spent on housing early in the 20th century vs later https://youtu.be/bbPYedkDU8Y?t=152 https://youtu.be/bbPYedkDU8Y?t=152
  - Grishnakh 10y ago
    Never say never. They just passed a law in California which makes it much harder for NIMBYs to prevent development. State-level laws can do a lot to curb NIMBYism, as the state government is concerned with having a healthy economy and doesn't care much about local efforts to fight change and development.
- crdoconnor 10y ago
  >I haven't seen a single proposal that does anything to realistically address it. The solution is trivially simple: build a lot of public housing. If you have a hard time imagining what any part of that plan might look like, take a look at Singapore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
  - ghaff 10y ago
    Or the South Bronx. [1] But, sure, build a bunch of concrete high rises for tech workers on Treasure Island. [1] https://www.guernicamag.com/features/the-rise-and-fall-of-public-housing-in-nyc/ https://www.guernicamag.com/features/the-rise-and-fall-of-pu...
    - crdoconnor 10y ago
      They implemented racial quotas to prevent ghettoization. >Sure, build a bunch of concrete high rises for tech worker I guess SF's bus drivers, restaurant servers, etc. don't deserve somewhere affordable to live because it might spoil the "aesthetic"?

Those of us born in coastal states might have an issue with that. Affluence and gentrification destroy the character of interesting communities. Careless indifference deserves no place here.

dionidium 10y ago

It's not careless or indifferent to acknowledge that the demand exists. It is a fact of the world. A fact that, yes, I understand, you do not like. But I haven't seen a single proposal that does anything to realistically address it. The demand is there and it's not going away. Whatever you're hoping for, it's too late.

mistermann 10y ago
Bringing a massive amount of supply to market would solve it, but because of nimby and other reasons it will never happen.
- dionidium 10y ago
  Right. High prices or lots of new housing. Pick one.
- jxramos 10y ago
  absolutely, just commented on something along these lines a few comments up. https://youtu.be/5GoAGuTIbVY?t=146 https://youtu.be/5GoAGuTIbVY?t=146 and another good commentary on a comparison of what percentage of income was spent on housing early in the 20th century vs later https://youtu.be/bbPYedkDU8Y?t=152 https://youtu.be/bbPYedkDU8Y?t=152
- Grishnakh 10y ago
  Never say never. They just passed a law in California which makes it much harder for NIMBYs to prevent development. State-level laws can do a lot to curb NIMBYism, as the state government is concerned with having a healthy economy and doesn't care much about local efforts to fight change and development.
crdoconnor 10y ago
>I haven't seen a single proposal that does anything to realistically address it. The solution is trivially simple: build a lot of public housing. If you have a hard time imagining what any part of that plan might look like, take a look at Singapore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore
- ghaff 10y ago
  Or the South Bronx. [1] But, sure, build a bunch of concrete high rises for tech workers on Treasure Island. [1] https://www.guernicamag.com/features/the-rise-and-fall-of-public-housing-in-nyc/ https://www.guernicamag.com/features/the-rise-and-fall-of-pu...
  - crdoconnor 10y ago
    They implemented racial quotas to prevent ghettoization. >Sure, build a bunch of concrete high rises for tech worker I guess SF's bus drivers, restaurant servers, etc. don't deserve somewhere affordable to live because it might spoil the "aesthetic"?