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Legal representation isnt a human right. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Add

Legal representation isnt a human right. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Additionally I haven't seen anything to suggest that the government is denying them from taking on their own legal council?

benologist 10y ago
If you google "australia refugee camps" you will find allegations of rape, abuse, substandard living conditions, lack of medical treatment, indefinite detention and more, denounced by the UN who call it illegal, denounced by Amnesty International who have accused the government of violating ratified rights too. Three people have set themselves on fire to kill themselves, that's not a thing that happens where people are treated humanely. It's also been made illegal to talk about the conditions of the camp if you work with the guests of the internment camps. That shouldn't even be possible, it's just basic oversight 101. It's a bit sad that's not a human right yet but that document is a work in progress.
- ps4fanboy 10y ago
  Citation needed, but I agree all those things are bad and have nothing to do with the concept of offshore processing, I agree that things should be more transparent but I do not think that would work in the favor of those who are detractors of the scheme. It should also be noted that Saudi Arabia is on the council for human rights with the UN, so I wouldn't hold their opinion very high.
  - benologist 10y ago
    You can google this stuff very easily, it's been reported a lot over the last couple of years. I also posted a few links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766158 Specific allegations of legal counsel being refused: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/17/australia-refugees-legal-sri-lanka http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/17/australia-refug... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/legal-aid-denied-asylum-seekers-arrive-boat http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/legal-aid-denie... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/18/lawyer-for-somali-refugee-raped-on-nauru-says-australia-ignored-her-pleas http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/18/lawyer... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/02/widow-of-refugee-who-set-himself-alight-being-kept-in-hotel-and-denied-a-lawyer http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/02/widow-...
    - ps4fanboy 10y ago
      Paid for legal counsel has been refused, you said its a human right to have council not to have someone else pay for it.
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- tropo 10y ago
  Um, "allegations of rape" does nothing to convince Australians that these people should get to be in Australia. This sounds rather like the issue Germany is having.

benologist 10y ago

If you google "australia refugee camps" you will find allegations of rape, abuse, substandard living conditions, lack of medical treatment, indefinite detention and more, denounced by the UN who call it illegal, denounced by Amnesty International who have accused the government of violating ratified rights too. Three people have set themselves on fire to kill themselves, that's not a thing that happens where people are treated humanely. It's also been made illegal to talk about the conditions of the camp if you work with the guests of the internment camps. That shouldn't even be possible, it's just basic oversight 101. It's a bit sad that's not a human right yet but that document is a work in progress.

ps4fanboy 10y ago
Citation needed, but I agree all those things are bad and have nothing to do with the concept of offshore processing, I agree that things should be more transparent but I do not think that would work in the favor of those who are detractors of the scheme. It should also be noted that Saudi Arabia is on the council for human rights with the UN, so I wouldn't hold their opinion very high.
- benologist 10y ago
  You can google this stuff very easily, it's been reported a lot over the last couple of years. I also posted a few links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11766158 Specific allegations of legal counsel being refused: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/17/australia-refugees-legal-sri-lanka http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/17/australia-refug... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/legal-aid-denied-asylum-seekers-arrive-boat http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/31/legal-aid-denie... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/18/lawyer-for-somali-refugee-raped-on-nauru-says-australia-ignored-her-pleas http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/18/lawyer... http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/02/widow-of-refugee-who-set-himself-alight-being-kept-in-hotel-and-denied-a-lawyer http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/may/02/widow-...
  - ps4fanboy 10y ago
    Paid for legal counsel has been refused, you said its a human right to have council not to have someone else pay for it.
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tropo 10y ago
Um, "allegations of rape" does nothing to convince Australians that these people should get to be in Australia. This sounds rather like the issue Germany is having.