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Nope. In the past, you received notifications that you could upgrade. You clicked the Red X to dismiss the notification. This time, you received a notificatio

Nope. In the past, you received notifications that you could upgrade. You clicked the Red X to dismiss the notification. This time, you received a notification to tell you it was going to upgrade. You clicked the Red X to dismiss the notification. They're exactly the same process. The difference is that if you didn't actually read the notification, you didn't know what it was telling you. Anybody that really didn't want Windows 10 would have used one of the many ways, either through group policy or 3rd party apps, to prevent even being asked. Sure, many people don't read dialogs or notifications, but that's not Microsoft's fault - it's user's that can't be bothered to actually understand what they're doing.

mistersquid 10y ago
> Sure, many people don't read dialogs or notifications, but that's not Microsoft's fault - it's user's that can't be bothered to actually understand what they're doing. Your response is either disingenuous or naive. Changing how software behaves as established by previous UI conventions with the differences restricted to changes in text labels is a known dark pattern. Furthermore, it is well known that an increasing percentage of users will not read to the end of a notification as they attempt to return to their initial task. [0] > As we all know, people tend to start reading at the beginning of a piece of text and as they advance, an increasing percentage of people give up and do not read to the end. Unquestionably, the effect of dismissing the notice is different and, also unquestionably, the people responsible for this behavioral change are well aware of how such a change would affect users who have no intention of upgrading. What such a change achieves, in addition to tricking unwitting users into upgrading, is plausible deniability. [0] http://alistapart.com/article/dark-patterns-deception-vs.-honesty-in-ui-design\ http://alistapart.com/article/dark-patterns-deception-vs.-ho... EDIT: Supply missing object. Rhetorical emphasis in last sentence.
- mobiuscog 10y ago
  Except it's not changing how software behaves. In both cases, clicking the Red X dismisses the notification. That's it. Nothing more. That's the UI convention as it always has been. As for users not reading, that may well be the case - it doesn't mean it's not their fault. If you wanted to take aim at a screwy dialog, I'd go for the original [A]bort [R]etry or [C]ancel... This 'change' (that isn't) is nothing compared to around 75% of UIs today. Sure, lots of people are upset because something didn't do what they expected. Yup, the engineers sorting this out maybe aren't the greatest UI/UX people. To state that MS are trying to 'trick' people is the disingenuous line though. Anyway, I really can't be bothered to discuss it anymore, as (a) I read dialogs, (b) I have machines that aren't auto upgrading because I followed the methods to stop the prompts a while back, and (c) xkcd tells me it's time to stop.
  - exodust 10y ago
    Regardless of people not reading dialog boxes, a major update of Windows can take a long time and be very disruptive. When it's done, things may look and feel unfamiliar and applications may not work. Such a significant change should not come about automatically by way of simply closing a dialog box. There should at least be one final dialog box requiring confirmation: "go ahead with Windows 10 update now? Yes/No" and if that dialog box has an X close button, it should be wired up to "no". If user clicks "yes", it would be polite to double check with "this update could take awhile, are you sure?" and supply links to a checklist of things people might want to know ahead of updating. This is undoubtedly a deceptive and aggressive UI pattern by Microsoft for their own product agenda, and the bad press is deserved.

mistersquid 10y ago

> Sure, many people don't read dialogs or notifications, but that's not Microsoft's fault - it's user's that can't be bothered to actually understand what they're doing. Your response is either disingenuous or naive. Changing how software behaves as established by previous UI conventions with the differences restricted to changes in text labels is a known dark pattern. Furthermore, it is well known that an increasing percentage of users will not read to the end of a notification as they attempt to return to their initial task. [0] > As we all know, people tend to start reading at the beginning of a piece of text and as they advance, an increasing percentage of people give up and do not read to the end. Unquestionably, the effect of dismissing the notice is different and, also unquestionably, the people responsible for this behavioral change are well aware of how such a change would affect users who have no intention of upgrading. What such a change achieves, in addition to tricking unwitting users into upgrading, is plausible deniability. [0] http://alistapart.com/article/dark-patterns-deception-vs.-honesty-in-ui-design\ http://alistapart.com/article/dark-patterns-deception-vs.-ho... EDIT: Supply missing object. Rhetorical emphasis in last sentence.

mobiuscog 10y ago
Except it's not changing how software behaves. In both cases, clicking the Red X dismisses the notification. That's it. Nothing more. That's the UI convention as it always has been. As for users not reading, that may well be the case - it doesn't mean it's not their fault. If you wanted to take aim at a screwy dialog, I'd go for the original [A]bort [R]etry or [C]ancel... This 'change' (that isn't) is nothing compared to around 75% of UIs today. Sure, lots of people are upset because something didn't do what they expected. Yup, the engineers sorting this out maybe aren't the greatest UI/UX people. To state that MS are trying to 'trick' people is the disingenuous line though. Anyway, I really can't be bothered to discuss it anymore, as (a) I read dialogs, (b) I have machines that aren't auto upgrading because I followed the methods to stop the prompts a while back, and (c) xkcd tells me it's time to stop.
- exodust 10y ago
  Regardless of people not reading dialog boxes, a major update of Windows can take a long time and be very disruptive. When it's done, things may look and feel unfamiliar and applications may not work. Such a significant change should not come about automatically by way of simply closing a dialog box. There should at least be one final dialog box requiring confirmation: "go ahead with Windows 10 update now? Yes/No" and if that dialog box has an X close button, it should be wired up to "no". If user clicks "yes", it would be polite to double check with "this update could take awhile, are you sure?" and supply links to a checklist of things people might want to know ahead of updating. This is undoubtedly a deceptive and aggressive UI pattern by Microsoft for their own product agenda, and the bad press is deserved.