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When I think liberal publications, I think Huffington Post, Salon, the Intercept, Vox, etc. What are they saying? The NY Post and WSJ are Murdoch/Fox/News Corp

When I think liberal publications, I think Huffington Post, Salon, the Intercept, Vox, etc. What are they saying? The NY Post and WSJ are Murdoch/Fox/News Corp publications; they are on a mission. Last I knew the Washington Times was owned by the cult leader Sun Myung Moon and his Unification Church - I never understood why anyone takes it seriously. But there still is apolitical journalism in the world; it's hardly impossible to do. The political operatives like to paint everything as politicized in order to delegitimize news they don't like, and to legitimize their own propaganda campaigns by making it a norm.

sremani 10y ago
Shall we talk about WaPo and Bezo's beef with Trump?
- hackuser 10y ago
  I thought Bezos overstepped the bounds of a newspaper owner, though Trump did attack his publication. But what does that prove or disprove about the comments above? The Washington Post wasn't mentioned.
  - sremani 10y ago
    That's exactly the point, WaPo is actually leading the lynch mob against Trump, NYT's efforts look pale. There was time during Bush presidency when WaPo could have been centrist-ish. Even before Bezos stepped in to it took a left turn and after Bezos (a guy known for his Union busting tactics - well anti-union formation tactics), it became even more Leftist (the Corporate version). You did not mention WaPo and NYT in liberal publications, and if you do not consider them liberal, then your politics are pretty hard core Leftist.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      > You did not mention WaPo and NYT in liberal publications and if you do not consider them liberal, then your politics are pretty hard core Leftist Hard core leftists almost universally think the NYT is conservative, bought and paid for by corporations and the establishment. Hillary Clinton supporters think the Times is out to get her (they broke the email server story, for example). Of course, conservative ideologues love to demonize the Times. If you're looking for an apolitical news source, it's a good indicator when ideologues on all sides think the publication is biased against them. So I disagree about the NYT, regardless of the oft-repeated common wisdom about them. Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of the Post; it was shrill and sensationalist for awhile after Bezos took over, but now has calmed down. Certainly their editorial page has been anti-Trump recently, but many on the right share that perspective.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      Being corporatist and union-busting isn't exactly a sign of being a leftist. And, while many leftists are anti-Trump, some of his most strident opponents have been movement conservatives.
Alupis 10y ago
> The NY Post and WSJ are Murdoch/Fox/News Corp publications; they are on a mission And Huffington Post, Salon, Vox are not on a mission?
- hackuser 10y ago
  > And Huffington Post, Salon, Vox are not on a mission? Yes, that's why I identified them as the liberal publications.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    The way you structured your post, it made it seem like you were insinuating Huffington Post, Salon, the Intercept, Vox, were somehow not demonstrating strong bias nor advancing towards a "mission". With the recent headlines, editor's notes, and articles HuffPo has run, it's becoming difficult to view them as a news organization rather than a tabloid.[1] The headline on the homepage, in bold, red, 72-point font, reads: "NH GOES RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC." In late January, Huffington Post announced that all of its Trump-related articles would include an editor's note reading, "Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims -- 1.6 billion members of an entire religion -- from entering the U.S." While the editorial stance may delight Trump's detractors, it is viewed by many members of the political press corps as unbecoming of an outlet that bills itself as a news organization. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/huffington-post-donald-trump-racist/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/huffington-post-donal...
    - linkregister 10y ago
      I think an apt comparison to Huffington Post would be the Drudge Report. Another news aggregator featuring sensational headlines engineered to outrage its polarized, loyal readership. The Drudge Report innovated first; it debuted in the mid-90s. I think it's likely that the Huffington Post was in large part inspired by the success of the Drudge Report.

sremani 10y ago

Shall we talk about WaPo and Bezo's beef with Trump?

hackuser 10y ago
I thought Bezos overstepped the bounds of a newspaper owner, though Trump did attack his publication. But what does that prove or disprove about the comments above? The Washington Post wasn't mentioned.
- sremani 10y ago
  That's exactly the point, WaPo is actually leading the lynch mob against Trump, NYT's efforts look pale. There was time during Bush presidency when WaPo could have been centrist-ish. Even before Bezos stepped in to it took a left turn and after Bezos (a guy known for his Union busting tactics - well anti-union formation tactics), it became even more Leftist (the Corporate version). You did not mention WaPo and NYT in liberal publications, and if you do not consider them liberal, then your politics are pretty hard core Leftist.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > You did not mention WaPo and NYT in liberal publications and if you do not consider them liberal, then your politics are pretty hard core Leftist Hard core leftists almost universally think the NYT is conservative, bought and paid for by corporations and the establishment. Hillary Clinton supporters think the Times is out to get her (they broke the email server story, for example). Of course, conservative ideologues love to demonize the Times. If you're looking for an apolitical news source, it's a good indicator when ideologues on all sides think the publication is biased against them. So I disagree about the NYT, regardless of the oft-repeated common wisdom about them. Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of the Post; it was shrill and sensationalist for awhile after Bezos took over, but now has calmed down. Certainly their editorial page has been anti-Trump recently, but many on the right share that perspective.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Being corporatist and union-busting isn't exactly a sign of being a leftist. And, while many leftists are anti-Trump, some of his most strident opponents have been movement conservatives.

Alupis 10y ago

> The NY Post and WSJ are Murdoch/Fox/News Corp publications; they are on a mission And Huffington Post, Salon, Vox are not on a mission?

hackuser 10y ago
> And Huffington Post, Salon, Vox are not on a mission? Yes, that's why I identified them as the liberal publications.
- Alupis 10y ago
  The way you structured your post, it made it seem like you were insinuating Huffington Post, Salon, the Intercept, Vox, were somehow not demonstrating strong bias nor advancing towards a "mission". With the recent headlines, editor's notes, and articles HuffPo has run, it's becoming difficult to view them as a news organization rather than a tabloid.[1] The headline on the homepage, in bold, red, 72-point font, reads: "NH GOES RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC." In late January, Huffington Post announced that all of its Trump-related articles would include an editor's note reading, "Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims -- 1.6 billion members of an entire religion -- from entering the U.S." While the editorial stance may delight Trump's detractors, it is viewed by many members of the political press corps as unbecoming of an outlet that bills itself as a news organization. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/huffington-post-donald-trump-racist/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/huffington-post-donal...
  - linkregister 10y ago
    I think an apt comparison to Huffington Post would be the Drudge Report. Another news aggregator featuring sensational headlines engineered to outrage its polarized, loyal readership. The Drudge Report innovated first; it debuted in the mid-90s. I think it's likely that the Huffington Post was in large part inspired by the success of the Drudge Report.