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> I pre-ordered a Time 2 today Backing a Kickstarter is not "pre-ordering". Kickstarter is not a store. Maybe you feel more confident because this is Pebble, b

by mevile 10y ago

> I pre-ordered a Time 2 today Backing a Kickstarter is not "pre-ordering". Kickstarter is not a store. Maybe you feel more confident because this is Pebble, but the distinction remains. Buying something from Kickstarter is not placing an order for something. It's investing in an idea.

orillian 10y ago
I'm sure he understands the difference, but with two successful campaigns for the pebble, and this new one already at 2.5m, one can understand his faux pas. I'm also sure he doesn't need us to tell him the differences between kickstarter order and a true pre-order.
jotux 10y ago
I understand this is how kickstarter markets itself, but "campaigns" like this sure make it look like a new-tech store. And in this particular case, what idea are people investing in? The newest version of a watch from a company that's doing $40M-$60M of dollars in revenue each year?
- mevile 10y ago
  Kickstarter does not market itself that way. Kickstarter is misleading about what it does and how it works. That people say things like "pre-ordering" indicates it. There are significant differences between a pre-order and backing. There are accounting differences for Kickstarter and there are less guarantees for backers than for pre-orders. You aren't entitled to any of your money back, support, or timeliness. Pebble Time showed up at Best Buys before backers got their watches. I bought my Pebble Time from the pebble website and people were still complaining about having backed the kickstarter. With a kickstarter you're shooting your money into the void and hope something comes back to you. With a pre-order you're legally entitled to a product or your money back and receive benefits from the various federal and state laws that govern how businesses do commerce.
  - jdiez17 10y ago
    > You aren't entitled to any of your money back, support, or timeliness Fair point about timeliness, but where did you get the idea that you're not entitled to your money back or support? From the Kickstarter page: > We stand firmly behind our products. Each Pebble product includes with a 30 day (after you receive it) money back guarantee and minimum 1 year limited warranty.
    - dave2000 10y ago
      I think they mean that if the product doesn't launch for whatever reason you don't get your money back...it's gone.
driverdan 10y ago
There is no investing going on here. This is absolutely a pre-order. It doesn't matter what Kickstarter says in their ToS, you're pre-ordering a product.

by mevile 10y ago

orillian 10y ago

I'm sure he understands the difference, but with two successful campaigns for the pebble, and this new one already at 2.5m, one can understand his faux pas. I'm also sure he doesn't need us to tell him the differences between kickstarter order and a true pre-order.

jotux 10y ago

I understand this is how kickstarter markets itself, but "campaigns" like this sure make it look like a new-tech store. And in this particular case, what idea are people investing in? The newest version of a watch from a company that's doing $40M-$60M of dollars in revenue each year?

mevile 10y ago
Kickstarter does not market itself that way. Kickstarter is misleading about what it does and how it works. That people say things like "pre-ordering" indicates it. There are significant differences between a pre-order and backing. There are accounting differences for Kickstarter and there are less guarantees for backers than for pre-orders. You aren't entitled to any of your money back, support, or timeliness. Pebble Time showed up at Best Buys before backers got their watches. I bought my Pebble Time from the pebble website and people were still complaining about having backed the kickstarter. With a kickstarter you're shooting your money into the void and hope something comes back to you. With a pre-order you're legally entitled to a product or your money back and receive benefits from the various federal and state laws that govern how businesses do commerce.
- jdiez17 10y ago
  > You aren't entitled to any of your money back, support, or timeliness Fair point about timeliness, but where did you get the idea that you're not entitled to your money back or support? From the Kickstarter page: > We stand firmly behind our products. Each Pebble product includes with a 30 day (after you receive it) money back guarantee and minimum 1 year limited warranty.
  - dave2000 10y ago
    I think they mean that if the product doesn't launch for whatever reason you don't get your money back...it's gone.

driverdan 10y ago

There is no investing going on here. This is absolutely a pre-order. It doesn't matter what Kickstarter says in their ToS, you're pre-ordering a product.