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I get that Microsoft wants to get people to upgrade, but forcing it like this is just plain rude Reality is, there are still driver issues on older hardware (e

by Ambroos 10y ago

I get that Microsoft wants to get people to upgrade, but forcing it like this is just plain rude Reality is, there are still driver issues on older hardware (especially laptops) with Windows 10. Some of my friends get random hangs since upgrading. My grandma's sister had her laptop upgraded and can't find anything anymore. It's a huge download and a huge change in how your computer works. This is not something you should just force on your users by tricking them to install it. Nudges and prompts are fine by me. Pushing it as an opt-out thing you have to actively cancel is just awful.

cptskippy 10y ago
It's not just older hardware, I upgraded an 2015 HP Stream Mini to Windows 10 and it died during the install after it had wiped Windows 8 essentially bricking the computer.
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mkohlmyr 10y ago
My girlfriend's laptop touchpad died upon update. After stopping her panic I had to enable using arrow keys for the cursor movement (getting to this menu without using said cursor was interesting..) and then roll back the "upgrade" using arrow keys.
- pyromine 10y ago
  Why was getting to the menu interesting, keyboard navigation in windows is a pretty well established paradigm, it may take marginally longer than you're used to but there are many people who primarily use their computer with the keyboard only.
  - pc86 10y ago
    Probably because you're telling someone who has only ever used a mouse or trackpad to get to an interior settings screen without using a mouse or trackpad. Just because "many people" do something doesn't make it easy or intuitive to someone who has never done it.
- Eric_WVGG 10y ago
  Microsoft gets a lot of flack for these breaking updates, but I wonder why more criticism isn't directed at manufacturers who pack laptops full of obscure and poorly-written drivers.
  - bruceboughton 10y ago
    Because, like Google with Android, Microsoft enable this behaviour. They deserve to take the flak.
Fuxy 10y ago
The upgrade also has the nasty tendency to forget to restore your files after the upgrade. I had to restart 1 computer 5 times before windows 10 magically decided it's going to restore my files now so I don't have to install and configure everything again. I'm moving everything over to Linux now anyway this latest fiasco with windows made it clear to me that it has no future. The only annoying thing is that I need to run adobe in a virtual machine.
- niels_olson 10y ago
  Similar situation: I have special purpose use cases for Windows, and so I actually have more Windows stuff at work now than ever, but it's because the core is starting to fragment and these special use cases are getting pushed out to stand-alone machines while non-Windows systems are taking over future development.
gambiting 10y ago
I went back to 7 twice now. My PC(which is a really modern machine, 4-th gen Core i5+GTX780) doesn't want to stay asleep with windows 10. It just wakes up in the middle of the night, "powercfg -lastwake" just shows "unknown", no one has any idea why that happens, only going back to Windows 7 solves the issue. Not to mention annoying forced UI tweaks that nobody asked for - why does the cursor snap to the corner when moving between monitors? It's beyond infuriating - but at least in win 8 you could disable that through a registry setting. In Win 10, sorry, you can't. W Why is the show desktop button literally 2 pixels wide now? Trying to hit it when it's on the edge between two monitors is close to impossible. Also Start menu search takes much longer than it did on windows 7, and it's much less accurate.
- emp_zealoth 10y ago
  Holy shit this My brand new (somewhat expensive D:) laptop tries to commit sudoku any time I look away. I've had it for less than a month and already I've taken it out of laptop bag scorching hot twice - because it decided to wake up for no reason and then stay running with no air...
  - tpb1908 10y ago
    > commit sudoku Well that's an interesting feature.
    - emp_zealoth 10y ago
      Shame no one told it there are no 1 to 9 bills :P Kind of feels like it does with real money, because obviously the manufacturer will just blame me for it cooking itself
webkike 10y ago
I hate windows 10 because before every version of windows could run spelunky without lag. Now I can barely get a consistent 54 fps on my surface. That really sucks.
CaptSpify 10y ago
It reminds me of "beating will continue until morale improves". You need to get people to want to upgrade.
- ryanl0l 10y ago
  Should MS just wait until those people get their bank accounts emptied and their data held for ransom? This seems like the nicer option.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    So instead of solidifying a good product, they should just keep forcing people to use a shitty product that they clearly don't want?
    - ryanl0l 10y ago
      Why is windows 10 a shitty product? Why is windows 7 a good product?
      - DanBC 10y ago
        Because people's computers work on Windows 8, and stop working after "upgrading" to windows 10. Those people don't care that it's a 3rd party driver causing the problem. (If it is; it's hard to know sometimes.) Here's one example, but there are plenty of others: https://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDesk_Knowledge/ https://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDe... Here's the faqs that begin "After installing Windows 10". https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016168/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016168/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016490/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016490/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016169/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016169/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1013137/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1013137/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015923/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015923/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015947/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015947/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015970/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015970/ And it affects network connectivity, so you'll need to use a different machine to look find these FAQs: https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015954/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015954/

by Ambroos 10y ago

cptskippy 10y ago

It's not just older hardware, I upgraded an 2015 HP Stream Mini to Windows 10 and it died during the install after it had wiped Windows 8 essentially bricking the computer.

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mkohlmyr 10y ago

My girlfriend's laptop touchpad died upon update. After stopping her panic I had to enable using arrow keys for the cursor movement (getting to this menu without using said cursor was interesting..) and then roll back the "upgrade" using arrow keys.

pyromine 10y ago
Why was getting to the menu interesting, keyboard navigation in windows is a pretty well established paradigm, it may take marginally longer than you're used to but there are many people who primarily use their computer with the keyboard only.
- pc86 10y ago
  Probably because you're telling someone who has only ever used a mouse or trackpad to get to an interior settings screen without using a mouse or trackpad. Just because "many people" do something doesn't make it easy or intuitive to someone who has never done it.
Eric_WVGG 10y ago
Microsoft gets a lot of flack for these breaking updates, but I wonder why more criticism isn't directed at manufacturers who pack laptops full of obscure and poorly-written drivers.
- bruceboughton 10y ago
  Because, like Google with Android, Microsoft enable this behaviour. They deserve to take the flak.

Fuxy 10y ago

The upgrade also has the nasty tendency to forget to restore your files after the upgrade. I had to restart 1 computer 5 times before windows 10 magically decided it's going to restore my files now so I don't have to install and configure everything again. I'm moving everything over to Linux now anyway this latest fiasco with windows made it clear to me that it has no future. The only annoying thing is that I need to run adobe in a virtual machine.

niels_olson 10y ago
Similar situation: I have special purpose use cases for Windows, and so I actually have more Windows stuff at work now than ever, but it's because the core is starting to fragment and these special use cases are getting pushed out to stand-alone machines while non-Windows systems are taking over future development.

gambiting 10y ago

I went back to 7 twice now. My PC(which is a really modern machine, 4-th gen Core i5+GTX780) doesn't want to stay asleep with windows 10. It just wakes up in the middle of the night, "powercfg -lastwake" just shows "unknown", no one has any idea why that happens, only going back to Windows 7 solves the issue. Not to mention annoying forced UI tweaks that nobody asked for - why does the cursor snap to the corner when moving between monitors? It's beyond infuriating - but at least in win 8 you could disable that through a registry setting. In Win 10, sorry, you can't. W Why is the show desktop button literally 2 pixels wide now? Trying to hit it when it's on the edge between two monitors is close to impossible. Also Start menu search takes much longer than it did on windows 7, and it's much less accurate.

emp_zealoth 10y ago
Holy shit this My brand new (somewhat expensive D:) laptop tries to commit sudoku any time I look away. I've had it for less than a month and already I've taken it out of laptop bag scorching hot twice - because it decided to wake up for no reason and then stay running with no air...
- tpb1908 10y ago
  > commit sudoku Well that's an interesting feature.
  - emp_zealoth 10y ago
    Shame no one told it there are no 1 to 9 bills :P Kind of feels like it does with real money, because obviously the manufacturer will just blame me for it cooking itself

webkike 10y ago

I hate windows 10 because before every version of windows could run spelunky without lag. Now I can barely get a consistent 54 fps on my surface. That really sucks.

CaptSpify 10y ago

It reminds me of "beating will continue until morale improves". You need to get people to want to upgrade.

ryanl0l 10y ago
Should MS just wait until those people get their bank accounts emptied and their data held for ransom? This seems like the nicer option.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  So instead of solidifying a good product, they should just keep forcing people to use a shitty product that they clearly don't want?
  - ryanl0l 10y ago
    Why is windows 10 a shitty product? Why is windows 7 a good product?
    - DanBC 10y ago
      Because people's computers work on Windows 8, and stop working after "upgrading" to windows 10. Those people don't care that it's a 3rd party driver causing the problem. (If it is; it's hard to know sometimes.) Here's one example, but there are plenty of others: https://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDesk_Knowledge/ https://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/ASUS_EeeBook_X205TA/HelpDe... Here's the faqs that begin "After installing Windows 10". https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016168/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016168/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016490/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016490/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016169/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1016169/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1013137/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1013137/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015923/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015923/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015947/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015947/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015970/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015970/ And it affects network connectivity, so you'll need to use a different machine to look find these FAQs: https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015954/ https://www.asus.com/uk/support/FAQ/1015954/