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Idk, but I feel Google is under tremendous pressure right now.Oracle likely going to win (they have best legal team in whole industry). Europe will hit Google w

by 0xFFC 10y ago

Idk, but I feel Google is under tremendous pressure right now.Oracle likely going to win (they have best legal team in whole industry). Europe will hit Google with antitrust and now this.Microsot is coming for them, and they(Microsoft) positioned themselves very well. Maybe I don't realize correctly, but it seems Google is going to have hard time with all of this.

unlinker 10y ago
I understand Microsoft is making progress, but I can't see how the are positioning themselves very well against Google in the markets they compete on.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  I can only think of one or two. Windows being the most used desktop OS and Cloud: Azure being bigger, with more offerings and more than double market share than Google's Cloud. E.g.: https://www.statista.com/chart/4546/cloud-infrastructure-market-share-2015/ https://www.statista.com/chart/4546/cloud-infrastructure-mar...
ocdtrekkie 10y ago
When you couple that with Google's internal issues in terms of maintaining ad revenue, and not finding a lot of successful alternative revenue streams as well... Google's issues are closing in on all sides. Microsoft is in a good position right now, in the short term, Apple is on certain fronts as well. (Mobile would go to Apple in the short term, though OEMs looking to escape Android might take a new look at wherever Windows Phone gets to in the next year or two of development work.)
- bitmapbrother 10y ago
  Microsoft is even in more dire straits. They're reliant on a desktop OS that is in constant decline and their enterprise revenue is being attacked by all angles. As for OEM's looking to expand to Windows phone they need to look no farther than what happened to the Nokia devision division to see their fate. In mobile it's all about ecosystems and Microsoft will never have a competitive one.
BinaryIdiot 10y ago
> Oracle likely going to win (they have best legal team in whole industry) You may be right but I really hope you're not. Such a dangerous precedent.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  Arguably, the precedent is already set. 'Fair use' is essentially an excuse to violate copyright, but with where the decision already is, developers must be very wary when implementing other company's APIs of what they're getting into legally. The only question now is whether or not 'fair use' will expand to cover Google's use case.
drzaiusapelord 10y ago
Google has rolled over too easily for EU bureaucrats in the past. I think everytime an EU nation wants some quick cash they just rough up Google and can expect an easy win. Google has dug its own grave here by being 'Mr Niceguy' to these governments. Business relations with government should always be seen as hostile. The businesses that understand game theory like the ones you see winning against google are doing better. This is one of life's uncomfortable truths.
bitmapbrother 10y ago
You must not be very familiar with the Law to not recognize that Google has some of the best lawyers in the country in Keker & Van Nest. Secondly, Google will fight the antitrust ruling and they will drag it out for as long as it takes until a settlement is reached. As for Microsoft coming for them, well, I fail to see any inroads Microsoft is actually making. Their desktop OS sales continue to decline, their search business is still in the red, despite their creative accounting to state otherwise and their smartphone business just sank below 1%.

by 0xFFC 10y ago

unlinker 10y ago

I understand Microsoft is making progress, but I can't see how the are positioning themselves very well against Google in the markets they compete on.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago
I can only think of one or two. Windows being the most used desktop OS and Cloud: Azure being bigger, with more offerings and more than double market share than Google's Cloud. E.g.: https://www.statista.com/chart/4546/cloud-infrastructure-market-share-2015/ https://www.statista.com/chart/4546/cloud-infrastructure-mar...

ocdtrekkie 10y ago

When you couple that with Google's internal issues in terms of maintaining ad revenue, and not finding a lot of successful alternative revenue streams as well... Google's issues are closing in on all sides. Microsoft is in a good position right now, in the short term, Apple is on certain fronts as well. (Mobile would go to Apple in the short term, though OEMs looking to escape Android might take a new look at wherever Windows Phone gets to in the next year or two of development work.)

bitmapbrother 10y ago
Microsoft is even in more dire straits. They're reliant on a desktop OS that is in constant decline and their enterprise revenue is being attacked by all angles. As for OEM's looking to expand to Windows phone they need to look no farther than what happened to the Nokia devision division to see their fate. In mobile it's all about ecosystems and Microsoft will never have a competitive one.

BinaryIdiot 10y ago

> Oracle likely going to win (they have best legal team in whole industry) You may be right but I really hope you're not. Such a dangerous precedent.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
Arguably, the precedent is already set. 'Fair use' is essentially an excuse to violate copyright, but with where the decision already is, developers must be very wary when implementing other company's APIs of what they're getting into legally. The only question now is whether or not 'fair use' will expand to cover Google's use case.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

Google has rolled over too easily for EU bureaucrats in the past. I think everytime an EU nation wants some quick cash they just rough up Google and can expect an easy win. Google has dug its own grave here by being 'Mr Niceguy' to these governments. Business relations with government should always be seen as hostile. The businesses that understand game theory like the ones you see winning against google are doing better. This is one of life's uncomfortable truths.

bitmapbrother 10y ago

You must not be very familiar with the Law to not recognize that Google has some of the best lawyers in the country in Keker & Van Nest. Secondly, Google will fight the antitrust ruling and they will drag it out for as long as it takes until a settlement is reached. As for Microsoft coming for them, well, I fail to see any inroads Microsoft is actually making. Their desktop OS sales continue to decline, their search business is still in the red, despite their creative accounting to state otherwise and their smartphone business just sank below 1%.