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Regardless, the world is voting against unified culture right now. We have to deal with it.

vidarh 10y ago
The "world" is voting against allowing large unchecked migration to drastically that scares people and/or changes their local areas in ways they are uncomfortable with first and foremost. My neighbours are a good example. I live in the UK. My ex is black African, and I'm Norwegian. Our neighbours are far right. Yet they've always been nice to us. If politics ever comes out, one of the first things that gets said is "but not you". They have black and asian friends, despite supporting a party that wants to deport all non-anglo-saxons. It's always about the scary "others" that they worry are stealing their jobs ("but not you") until they get to know they. People who meet them quickly recognise that, hence why they have friends who come to their house who you'd think might have wanted nothing to do with them. It's not about race, or culture, or religion per se. It's that they're afraid of how change will affect them. In the UK, we see this clearly reflected in voting patterns too: The racist and/or anti-immigration candidates do best in the areas with the lowest or very highest amount of immigration: The areas where this is an abstract fear and most people have no friends who aren't white-British, and the usually deprived areas where there's a core of poor white people feeling under siege. The best way to counter these attitudes, it seems, is moderate levels of immigrants spread out more. Of course that would take a lot of investment in redistributing social housing and building more affordable housing in wealthier areas - ultimately this is a socio-economic problem first and foremost.
- golemotron 10y ago
  I think it's cheap to assume people are acting out of fear when it could just simply come down to what they like and don't like. If you and your ex behaved in a way that altered their living conditions they might have moved. That pattern occurs in many areas with high immigration. Not everyone likes the same cultural mores. I'm assuming you and your ex weren't that different and you weren't part of enough difference in the neighborhood for rightists to vote with their feet. But there are thresholds and they have nothing to do with fear.
  - vidarh 10y ago
    I don't think it is cheap at all, because it is based explicitly on what they and others with similar views have told me to my (and my ex's) face. The issue of fearing for their jobs comes up time and time again. The issue of fear of crime comes up time and time again. Cultural factors rarely if ever. I'm sure there are people for whom cultural factors also play in, but personally I've yet to meet any face to face.

The "world" is voting against allowing large unchecked migration to drastically that scares people and/or changes their local areas in ways they are uncomfortable with first and foremost. My neighbours are a good example. I live in the UK. My ex is black African, and I'm Norwegian. Our neighbours are far right. Yet they've always been nice to us. If politics ever comes out, one of the first things that gets said is "but not you". They have black and asian friends, despite supporting a party that wants to deport all non-anglo-saxons. It's always about the scary "others" that they worry are stealing their jobs ("but not you") until they get to know they. People who meet them quickly recognise that, hence why they have friends who come to their house who you'd think might have wanted nothing to do with them. It's not about race, or culture, or religion per se. It's that they're afraid of how change will affect them. In the UK, we see this clearly reflected in voting patterns too: The racist and/or anti-immigration candidates do best in the areas with the lowest or very highest amount of immigration: The areas where this is an abstract fear and most people have no friends who aren't white-British, and the usually deprived areas where there's a core of poor white people feeling under siege. The best way to counter these attitudes, it seems, is moderate levels of immigrants spread out more. Of course that would take a lot of investment in redistributing social housing and building more affordable housing in wealthier areas - ultimately this is a socio-economic problem first and foremost.

golemotron 10y ago
I think it's cheap to assume people are acting out of fear when it could just simply come down to what they like and don't like. If you and your ex behaved in a way that altered their living conditions they might have moved. That pattern occurs in many areas with high immigration. Not everyone likes the same cultural mores. I'm assuming you and your ex weren't that different and you weren't part of enough difference in the neighborhood for rightists to vote with their feet. But there are thresholds and they have nothing to do with fear.
- vidarh 10y ago
  I don't think it is cheap at all, because it is based explicitly on what they and others with similar views have told me to my (and my ex's) face. The issue of fearing for their jobs comes up time and time again. The issue of fear of crime comes up time and time again. Cultural factors rarely if ever. I'm sure there are people for whom cultural factors also play in, but personally I've yet to meet any face to face.