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This topic is mildly amusing because I remember when all (or most) software was sold as "on-prem". Then everything moved to SaaS...and now everything is moving

This topic is mildly amusing because I remember when all (or most) software was sold as "on-prem". Then everything moved to SaaS...and now everything is moving back to on-prem! I used to work for Atlassian which made most of its money at the time I left in 2013 from on-prem software. It was low-touch, high-volume sales to people downloading and installing software on their own servers. They still sell a ton of it too. If your stack is a hodge podge of web servers, shell scripts, and cron services, I think better advice would be based on how to make your application more packageable before moving to that model.

NegativeLatency 10y ago
Or you could copy tableau and shove it all into a vm
- brazzledazzle 10y ago
  That's how Github Enterprise is distributed for on-prem. Virtual appliance.
  - cstejerean 10y ago
    Which made GitHub enterprise a nightmare to operate compared to Atlassian's products.
    - majewsky 10y ago
      Can you elaborate? (Dev here with not very much ops experience.)
koolba 10y ago
> I used to work for Atlassian which made most of its money at the time I left in 2013 from on-prem software. It was low-touch, high-volume sales to people downloading and installing software on their own servers. They still sell a ton of it too. IIRC most of their apps are Java based so the JVM ends up being their VM to normalize the installations. That would definitely simplify things and you see it even today with on-prem apps running in containers to normalize things (ex: that's apparently how NPM runs). > If your stack is a hodge podge of web servers, shell scripts, and cron services, I think better advice would be based on how to make your application more packageable before moving to that model. Live by the cloud, die by the cloud!
mseebach 10y ago
No, "everything" is not moving back on-prem, just like "everything" never moved to the cloud. But a great many things did move to the cloud, even more were conceived there, and practically all of them are going to stay there. You can successfully run a whole business of a very respectable size without managing even a single on-prem device, and that's great, and that's not going to change. The push back to on-prem isn't a move, it's an expansion. Old/large/government orgs which for different good and bad but mostly immutable reasons can't let their data off-prem is getting interested. It's a new market, not a change in the old.
- ryanackley 10y ago
  I agree it's not a dichotomy. However,it's also not a "new" market and it's not just dinosaur enterprises buying on-prem software.
draw_down 10y ago
No, this article is literally about why you should do everything in your power to never go "on-prem".

NegativeLatency 10y ago

Or you could copy tableau and shove it all into a vm

brazzledazzle 10y ago
That's how Github Enterprise is distributed for on-prem. Virtual appliance.
- cstejerean 10y ago
  Which made GitHub enterprise a nightmare to operate compared to Atlassian's products.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    Can you elaborate? (Dev here with not very much ops experience.)

koolba 10y ago

> I used to work for Atlassian which made most of its money at the time I left in 2013 from on-prem software. It was low-touch, high-volume sales to people downloading and installing software on their own servers. They still sell a ton of it too. IIRC most of their apps are Java based so the JVM ends up being their VM to normalize the installations. That would definitely simplify things and you see it even today with on-prem apps running in containers to normalize things (ex: that's apparently how NPM runs). > If your stack is a hodge podge of web servers, shell scripts, and cron services, I think better advice would be based on how to make your application more packageable before moving to that model. Live by the cloud, die by the cloud!

mseebach 10y ago

No, "everything" is not moving back on-prem, just like "everything" never moved to the cloud. But a great many things did move to the cloud, even more were conceived there, and practically all of them are going to stay there. You can successfully run a whole business of a very respectable size without managing even a single on-prem device, and that's great, and that's not going to change. The push back to on-prem isn't a move, it's an expansion. Old/large/government orgs which for different good and bad but mostly immutable reasons can't let their data off-prem is getting interested. It's a new market, not a change in the old.

ryanackley 10y ago
I agree it's not a dichotomy. However,it's also not a "new" market and it's not just dinosaur enterprises buying on-prem software.

draw_down 10y ago

No, this article is literally about why you should do everything in your power to never go "on-prem".